Congratulations, you took freedom away…

[Doc Dutch]

nope they are alive too as they are cellular life, but they aren't a unique human because they don't have a full chromosomal set.

WTF does "unique human" have to do with it? Have you heard of identical twins? Triplets? Every skin cell with a nucleus that you shed, cut off, bleed, shit or puke is a "unique human" with a "full chromosomal set".

Are you saying that artificially fertilized frozen eggs are humans and that it's murder to destroy them? Doesn't that sound a bit wacky to you?

[Niche Political Commentor]

WTF does "unique human" have to do with it? Have you heard of identical twins? Triplets? Every skin cell with a nucleus that you shed, cut off, bleed, shit or puke is a "unique human" with a "full chromosomal set".

Are you saying that artificially fertilized frozen eggs are humans and that it's murder to destroy them? Doesn't that sound a bit wacky to you?

can you read my fucking posts? i am okay killing blastocysts and zygotes and early stage fetuses. god knows i dont want a shit kicking kid running around

but at some point, past 3 months, when it has a heart and a brain, you are being a murderer. you can be against abortion without being religious.

[Doc Dutch]

can you read my fucking posts? i am okay killing blastocysts and zygotes and early stage fetuses. god knows i dont want a shit kicking kid running around

but at some point, past 3 months, when it has a heart and a brain, you are being a murderer. you can be against abortion without being religious.

Good! Common ground.

Agreed, that, at some stage of growth the fetus becomes a human being. 24 weeks used to be the standard, later for deformed fetuses such as the one with no brain a few years back. All the religious wackos got all bent out of shape about it.

I'm good with a scientific definition leaning toward sentience as a definition over just looking like a simian.

https://www.newsweek.com/strict-abor...ld-die-1440531
Strict Abortion Law Forced Woman to Give Birth to Baby Without a Brain or Skull, Knowing It Would Die
BY KASHMIRA GANDER ON 6/3/19 AT 5:00 PM EDT

n abortion provider has spoken of treating a woman who was forced to give birth to a baby she knew would die as she wasn't allowed access to an abortion.

In an essay entitled "The Myth of Choice," published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, an anonymous doctor wrote of a patient whose fetus had no brain or no skull, but only a stem.

"This condition has no survivors. None," the doctor wrote.

[Sawyerloggingon]

Again, a sentence by sentence deconstruction:

1. I make no "interpretation" but state clearly and plainly the FACTS and the logical conclusion of said facts from the ruling. The links I provided in the previous bare witness to this....the information in said links that YOU HAVE NOT AND APPARENTLY CANNOT LOGICALLY AND FACTUALLY REFUTE.

2. You are either painfully unaware of the topic, basically incorrect regarding the ruling itself or a bad liar. Please read the following carefully and comprehensively (especially the first paragraph), because we ain't talking about the weather here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1392_6j37.pdf

3. It states a hell of a lot more than your misleading and simplistic assertion. I strongly urge you to review the dissenting remarks of Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer in the link provided in #2 here.

4 - 6. Pure supposition and conjecture that ignores the nuances and many conclusions of what has actually happened.

The question remains: how does rescinding a law and allowing states to rule against choice in a private medical decision keep in step with the Constitution and Bill of Rights emphasis on freedom?

The decision gives freedom back. RW took that freedom away. Now elected officials answerable to the voters will make abortion laws instead of a few judges for life in black robes.

[Doc Dutch]

The decision gives freedom back. RW took that freedom away. Now elected officials answerable to the voters will make abortion laws instead of a few judges for life in black robes.

Only a fucking moron believes stripping Americans of rights is a good thing.

This decision will go down in history as being fucked up like the Dred Scott Decision.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Dred-Scott-decision
Dred Scott decision, formally Dred Scott v. John F.A. Sandford, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on March 6, 1857, ruled (7–2) that a slave (Dred Scott) who had resided in a free state and territory (where slavery was prohibited) was not thereby entitled to his freedom; that African Americans were not and could never be citizens of the United States; and that the Missouri Compromise (1820), which had declared free all territories west of Missouri and north of latitude 36°30′, was unconstitutional. The decision added fuel to the sectional controversy and pushed the country closer to civil war.

[Sawyerloggingon]

Assuming that the neighboring state is not of the same BS Christo-fascist mindset, as the map shows. Making the choice as difficult or near impossible as they can.

Here's the thing: No one is asking you & yours a damned thing.....it's a private decision between the woman, her partner/husband (if that is the case) and the doctor (if she has a primary healthcare physician). None of your tax dollars are funding such ... that old canard by the Christo-fascists has been put to bed numerous times. And no one is putting a gun to anyone's head saying "you must have an abortion". So mind your own damned business, because the same mindset you push here can be used to have states ban contraception of any kind. Hell, why not stop all this nonsense at the source? Make vasectomy mandatory for all males until they can prove financial and emotional maturity to be fathers? Or tubal ligation for all females with the same requirements for motherhood? If you're going to justify this latest BS, why not just be honest and go whole hog? It would be the theocratic thing to do.

Abortion is unique in that your personal decision ends another persons life. The only real question is when does a fetus become a person with the right to live. Most reasonable people think that's around the first trimester and that's a reasonable cut off date to abort. Most states will immediately have laws that reflect that opinion and over time all will. RW being imposed nation wide did nothing but prolong the abortion debate and now we can get down to business and settle it. Even Ruth saw this coming and said it was the only way to do it.

[Doc Dutch]

Abortion is unique in that your personal decision ends another persons life. The only real question is when does a fetus become a person with the right to live. Most reasonable people think that's around the first trimester and that's a reasonable cut off date to abort. Most states will immediately have laws that reflect that opinion and over time all will. RW being imposed nation wide did nothing but prolong the abortion debate and now we can get down to business and settle it. Even Ruth saw this coming and said it was the only way to do it.

Which of these, if either, is a "person"? It's okay if you don't know or refuse to answer because the answer is obvious to anyone who isn't sucking Pedo Don's cock.

[Sawyerloggingon]

Which of these, if either, is a "person"? It's okay if you don't know or refuse to answer because the answer is obvious to anyone who isn't sucking Pedo Don's cock.

Not 3 months old so not relavant.


"Month Three of Pregnancy

By the end of the third month of pregnancy, your baby is fully formed. Your baby has arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes and can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming."

[Doc Dutch]

Not 3 months old so not relavant.


"Month Three of Pregnancy

By the end of the third month of pregnancy, your baby is fully formed. Your baby has arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes and can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming."

So you agree three months is about the time a fetus becomes a person? If so, I can agree with that given it's a normal baby with a normal brain.

[Sawyerloggingon]

So you agree three months is about the time a fetus becomes a person? If so, I can agree with that given it's a normal baby with a normal brain.

That's been my position all along. I've been very clear on that.

[Doc Dutch]

That's been my position all along. I've been very clear on that.

It seemed to vary given your anti-American stance on other issues.

[Jarod]

Not 3 months old so not relavant.


"Month Three of Pregnancy

By the end of the third month of pregnancy, your baby is fully formed. Your baby has arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes and can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming."

I’m in support of a ban after 3 months, with an exception for the life of the mother or an already dead or dying fetus.

[christiefan915]

What the decision repealed was SCOTUS having the power to regulate abortion. It did not repeal choice. It put law making back where it belongs with legislatures. Democrats could have passed a carbon copy of Roe Wade but chose to propose an anything goes right up until birth law they knew couldn't pass because they want political turmoil.

Why do you think the state has any more power than the feds to regulate what a woman does with her own body?

[Taichiliberal]

The decision gives freedom back. RW took that freedom away. Now elected officials answerable to the voters will make abortion laws instead of a few judges for life in black robes.

How can you "give back" something that was never taken away? Roe vs. Wade GAVE WOMEN IN ALL 50 STATES THE RIGHT TO A MEDICAL ABORTION BY A CERTIFIED DOCTOR. Your last sentence is pure double talk, because essentially YOU and A MINORITY are enforcing YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS ON THE MOST PERSONAL OF DECISIONS OF OTHERS. Gerry-mandering and voter suppression by the GOP is under the gun, and in the not-too-distant future those "elected officials" may not be so, because poll after poll shows the majority of Americans favor CHOICE in this matter. Theocracy does what you and the current SCOTUS are doing. Kind of anti-American, that.

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Assuming that the neighboring state is not of the same BS Christo-fascist mindset, as the map shows. Making the choice as difficult or near impossible as they can.

Here's the thing: No one is asking you & yours a damned thing.....it's a private decision between the woman, her partner/husband (if that is the case) and the doctor (if she has a primary healthcare physician). None of your tax dollars are funding such ... that old canard by the Christo-fascists has been put to bed numerous times. And no one is putting a gun to anyone's head saying "you must have an abortion". So mind your own damned business, because the same mindset you push here can be used to have states ban contraception of any kind. Hell, why not stop all this nonsense at the source? Make vasectomy mandatory for all males until they can prove financial and emotional maturity to be fathers? Or tubal ligation for all females with the same requirements for motherhood? If you're going to justify this latest BS, why not just be honest and go whole hog? It would be the theocratic thing to do.

Abortion is unique in that your personal decision ends another persons life. The only real question is when does a fetus become a person with the right to live. Most reasonable people think that's around the first trimester and that's a reasonable cut off date to abort. Most states will immediately have laws that reflect that opinion and over time all will. RW being imposed nation wide did nothing but prolong the abortion debate and now we can get down to business and settle it. Even Ruth saw this coming and said it was the only way to do it.

If your first sentence were true, then were are the death certificates? When a murder occurs, the State or County M.E. office does the examination and fills out the certificate....that certificate requires a DATE OF BIRTH. So, spare me all the rest of your babbling and produce those certificates ... if you can't, then you're just another clown passing religious dogma and philosophy as medical scientific facts.