What radicalized you?

[dukkha]

Widespread Labor riots and anarchist terrorism in the early 20th century did not turn America into a radical society.

Weird that Richard Nixon was elected in 1968 in a country that was so radical and so leftist.

Ivoted for McGovern Me and 3 other people..my first election
McGovern was way radical - minimum payments, and his campaign sucked and his VP was "scandalized"
Damn i still hate that SOB Nixon and his "peace with honor" crap -but it sold

[Cypress]

small towns were generally behind the big cities in therms of social change - but the "youth movement"
( as it's said) was generational across demographics- and that movement went against the old "isms"

Small towns have been behind big cities since the Roman empire.

I just want someone to do an impartial study about how supposedly uniquely radical the 1960s actually were.

There were many other periods in American history where fashions radically changed, hedonism and open sexuality were flaunted, riots and social unrest were widespread. But through it all, America on the whole as a nation remained fairly conventional and traditional, and if change came they generally came slowly.

I get the impression really profound and widespread changes about government policy, racism, sexism, homophobia, environmentalism, corporate culture, business ethics really hit the ground running in the 1970s through 1990s.

I am just speculating that the 1960s have been mythologized through decades of movies, television, hyperbole, and legend.

[Cypress]

Yes. And no surprise the idea of CRT annoys the racists.

They didn't even know what CRT was until rightwing media personalities started complaining about it sometime in 2020. The whole manufacturing of outrage was designed in the meeting rooms and cubicles of Fox News Corp, et al.

[dukkha]

Small towns have been behind big cities since the Roman empire.

I just want someone to do an impartial study about how supposedly uniquely radical the 1960s actually were.

There were many other periods in American history where fashions radically changed, hedonism and open sexuality were flaunted, riots and social unrest were widespread. But through it all, America on the whole as a nation remained fairly conventional and traditional, and if change came they generally came slowly.

I get the impression really profound and widespread changes about government policy, racism, sexism, homophobia, environmentalism, corporate culture, business ethics really hit the ground running in the 1970s through 1990s.

I am just speculating that the 1960s have been mythologized through decades of movies, television, hyperbole, and legend.

well teh 60's were the beginnings of much social change
Demonstrations on the streets. the war, Freaks (hippies).
The work got quieter and more behind the scenes in the 70s (Me generation) - but that's when it became more institutionalized and set into culture

[Cypress]

well teh 60's were the beginnings of much social change
Demonstrations on the streets. the war, Freaks (hippies).
The work got quieter and more behind the scenes in the 70s (Me generation) - but that's when it became more institutionalized and set into culture

Right, the seeds were planted in the 60s, but the real transformative changes to society happened a decade or three later. Marijuana legalization didn't even happen until the 21st century, though it may have a distant antecedent in the 60s.

I don't really count radical changes to fashion, style, sexuality, or riots to be the primary indicators of a society that has radically changed in fundamental sociological ways. Working at IBM in 1968 was probably pretty much like working at IBM in 1958.

[Flash]

I think I recall Puerto Rican Independence groups who used bombs first -..but violent groups were very marginal
Not to downplay it, but "mostly peaceful protests" for real (unlike BLM riots)

I don't know about Puerto Rican bombs, but that was not a big movement that affected the nation. I think you are overlooking a lot of violence and destruction coming from both civil rights protests and Vietnam War marches.

"Major race riots have occurred in the United States at least since the Harlem Riots of 1948, but the 60's surpassed anything previously experienced. The five day Watts riot in August, 1965 saw 34 people die and a thousand injured; and the 1966 Detroit riot, 43 deaths. Following Martin Luther King's assassination in 1968, rioting broke out in over 120 cities including Chicago and Washington."

I don't have the total numbers, but I think the total number of protests and deaths outnumbered anything related to BLM or more recent riots and protests. There were 884 protests related to anti-war issues and hundreds related to race. There was also more violence.

[zymurgy]

I am 100% bigoted against liars...yep...you caught me. Congrats!

shit head - this is the anonymous internet

you can waste your time pretending to know when people are lying - or you can attempt to act human and debate what they say instead of this childish game of debating who they are

[Gondwanaland]

For me, it was watching SCOTUS install their preferred candidate in 2000 by stopping the recount that Gore would have definitely won.

For Conservatives, they were radicalized because they didn't get an invite to a party in college.

For BoTHSiDerIsts, that's the same thing.

Ruby Ridge and Waco were the things that 'radicalized' me to be a minarchist Libertarian. The last 3 years is what 'radicalized' me toward anarcho-capitalist Libertarianism.

[Callinectes]

Lot's of conservatives said they were "forced" to vote for the shockingly stupid Trump because Hillary made them feel bad by calling them Deplorables.

Republicans on this board have openly stated they voted for Trump primarily to make liberals cry.


^^ That is the logic of an eight year old. And only further highlights that the modern GOP is not a political philosophy built on genuine ideas and policy; it is built on resentment and grievance.

Lot's of conservatives said they were "forced" to vote for the shockingly stupid Trump because Hillary made them feel bad by calling them Deplorables.

Is this the “data” you pointed at me? So evidently, conservatives were forced to vote for Trump because the beast besmirched their honor by calling them “deplorable”? And other than that horrible slight, those conservatives would have voted for her? Seems shockingly stupid of her to alienate half the electorate like that. What was her platform anyway? Seems to me she didn’t have one.

Republicans on this board have openly stated they voted for Trump primarily to make liberals cry.

Wow, that’s some really shallow republicans! But I must admit, leftist tears are a bonus. Still, I would be forced to concede the debate on this if you could supply one quote from one conservative on this board stating they voted for Trump because shrillary either called them a deplorable, or just to make leftists cry. Moot point anyway. Both scenarios are good enough reasons not to vote for her. She was a piece of shit candidate.

^^ That is the logic of an eight year old. And only further highlights that the modern GOP is not a political philosophy built on genuine ideas and policy; it is built on resentment and grievance.

Yeah, That pretty much IS the logic of an eight year old. Which is why it’s bullshit and you’ll never prove it. But this whole narrative is serving it’s purpose, right? Just another thread NOT about the pressing issues of the day.

[dukkha]

Right, the seeds were planted in the 60s, but the real transformative changes to society happened a decade or three later. Marijuana legalization didn't even happen until the 21st century, though it may have a distant antecedent in the 60s.

I don't really count radical changes to fashion, style, sexuality, or riots to be the primary indicators of a society that has radically changed in fundamental sociological ways. Working at IBM in 1968 was probably pretty much like working at IBM in 1958.

to use the meme; 60's were the" inflection point"
But we couldnt stop the war either

[dukkha]

I don't know about Puerto Rican bombs, but that was not a big movement that affected the nation. I think you are overlooking a lot of violence and destruction coming from both civil rights protests and Vietnam War marches.

"Major race riots have occurred in the United States at least since the Harlem Riots of 1948, but the 60's surpassed anything previously experienced. The five day Watts riot in August, 1965 saw 34 people die and a thousand injured; and the 1966 Detroit riot, 43 deaths. Following Martin Luther King's assassination in 1968, rioting broke out in over 120 cities including Chicago and Washington."

I don't have the total numbers, but I think the total number of protests and deaths outnumbered anything related to BLM or more recent riots and protests. There were 884 protests related to anti-war issues and hundreds related to race. There was also more violence.

true and im much more familiar with the anti-war movement then civil rights. you are older then me.
I have no recollections outside of the JFK assassination of the early 60's,and the Beatles,but even by the time they were on Ed Sullivan i considered them a "girls band" - boy was I wrong about that!
I started smoking weed in 68 - that was my turn on time

[Flash]

true and im much more familiar with the anti-war movement then civil rights. you are older then me.
I have no recollections outside of the JFK assassination of the early 60's,and the Beatles,but even by the time they were on Ed Sullivan i considered them a "girls band" - boy was I wrong about that!
I started smoking weed in 68 - that was my turn on time

Yeah, the early Beatles was bubble gum music. Much like today, the JFK assassination led to many conspiracy theories--all without evidence.

[dukkha]

Yeah, the early Beatles was bubble gum music. Much like today, the JFK assassination led to many conspiracy theories--all without evidence.

Oswald did it. and did it alone the evidence is overwhelming.
Because some 2 bit schmuck killed a president in prime of life
our minds have it make it more then it was

[Cypress]

to use the meme; 60's were the" inflection point"
But we couldnt stop the war either

Right, in the 21st century, we are the real radicals. I doubt college kids in the 60s could realistically fathom the reality of legal marijuana, gay marriage, a black president, a female vice president.

[BidenPresident]

Yeah, the early Beatles was bubble gum music. Much like today, the JFK assassination led to many conspiracy theories--all without evidence.

I read the Warren Report. They did not present convincing evidence.