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    Default Liberal international order

    In international relations, the liberal international order describes a set of global, rule-based, structured relationships based on political liberalism, economic liberalism and liberal internationalism since the late 1940s. More specifically, it entails international cooperation through multilateral institutions (like the United Nations, World Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund) and is constituted by human equality (freedom, rule of law and human rights), open markets, security cooperation, promotion of liberal democracy, and monetary cooperation. The order was established in the aftermath of World War II, led in large part by the United States.

    The nature of the liberal international order, as well as its very existence, has been debated by scholars. The LIO has been credited with expanding free trade, increasing capital mobility, spreading democracy, promoting human rights, and collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union. The LIO facilitated unprecedented cooperation among the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan. Over time, the LIO facilitated the spread of economic liberalism to the rest of the world, as well as helped consolidate democracy in formerly fascist or communist countries.

    Origins of the LIO have commonly been identified as the 1940s, usually starting in 1945. with some scholars pointing to earlier agreements between the WWII-era Allies such as the Atlantic Charter in 1941. John Mearsheimer has dissented with this view, arguing that the LIO only arose after the end of the Cold War. Core founding members of the LIO include the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan; these states form a security community. The characteristics of the LIO have varied over time. Some scholars refer to a Cold War variation of the LIO largely limited to the West, and a post-Cold War variation having a more widespread scope and giving international institutions more powers.


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    After World War II—the deadliest conflict in human history—countries sought to ensure the world never again devolved into such horrific violence.

    World leaders created a series of international organizations and agreements to promote global cooperation on issues including security, trade, health, and monetary policy. The United States has championed this system—known as the liberal world order—for the past seventy-five years. During this time, the world has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity.

    But these institutions are far from perfect, and today they are struggling to address new sources of disorder, such as climate change and a deadly pandemic. What’s more, democracy is on the decline around the world, authoritarianism is on the rise, and countries like China are deliberately chipping away at the liberal world order, creating parallel institutions of their own. Faced with these challenges, will the liberal world order survive? If a new system emerges, what will that mean for freedom, peace, and prosperity worldwide?


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    LIO has been credited with:

    expanding free trade
    -but not fair trade. or trade blocks where the USA would be disadvantaged by smaller economies

    increasing capital mobility
    -to the elite rich liberals or China

    spreading democracy
    - at the barrel of a gun

    promoting human rights
    -while ignoring Chinese slave labor and political absorption of Hong Kong with attendant atrocities

    collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union
    -why we already have NATO
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    It's diplostroking itself, while always looking to make the west/US pay.
    Get your Chinese solar panels now. Biden just made it easier for their US market penetration

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    LIO has been credited with:

    expanding free trade
    -but not fair trade. or trade blocks where the USA would be disadvantaged by smaller economies

    increasing capital mobility
    -to the elite rich liberals or China

    spreading democracy
    - at the barrel of a gun

    promoting human rights
    -while ignoring Chinese slave labor and political absorption of Hong Kong with attendant atrocities

    collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union
    -why we already have NATO
    ~~

    It's diplostroking itself, while always looking to make the west/US pay.
    Get your Chinese soar panels now. Biden just made it easier for their US market penetration

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    1940's ? ... are we talking neo liberal socialism or its opposite ...

    Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on limited government, economic freedom, and political freedom.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    1940's ? ... are we talking neo liberal socialism or ...

    Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on limited government, economic freedom, and political freedom.
    Correct. Classical liberalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    1940's ? ... are we talking neo liberal socialism or ...

    Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on limited government, economic freedom, and political freedom.
    Origins of the LIO have commonly been identified as the 1940s

    After World War II—the deadliest conflict in human history—countries sought to ensure the world never again devolved into such horrific violence.
    UN

    Rules based world order
    https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...sed-order-mean
    term 'rules-based international system' (RBIS) is often used to denote the international norms, laws and institutions that have helped to shape, influence and regulate relations between countries since WWII

    Other recurring propositions are that the rules-based order has both constrained the use of power and depends on US power; that it could shape China’s rise and be shaped by China; and that it must be saved and must change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Correct. Classical liberalism.
    So, the opposite meaning ... of the spokesperson's neo liberal socialist ideology. That's very weird.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    So, the opposite meaning ... of the spokesperson's neo liberal socialist ideology. That's very weird.
    What is a liberal socialist ideology and where does it occur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    What is a liberal socialist ideology and where does it occur?
    In your mirror.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    So, the opposite meaning ... of the spokesperson's neo liberal socialist ideology. That's very weird.
    drop teh socialist part on this one.
    you are confusing the term. It's Liberal World Order or Rules base world order.
    nothing about classic liberalism or socialism.. it's international relations on military and trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    drop teh socialist part on this one.
    you are confusing the term. It's Liberal World Order or Rules base world order.
    nothing about classic liberalism or socialism.. it's international relations on military and trade
    Well, it has the word "liberal" in its title ... "liberal" has two polar opposite political meanings. The spokesperson who promoted the LWO, is not a classical liberal.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Well, it has the word "liberal" in its title ... "liberal" has two polar opposite political meanings. The spokesperson who promoted the LWO, is not a classical liberal.
    When you miss name an illiberal a liberal then you have made a huge motherfucking error.

    Please knock it off.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Liberal international order

    My Fucking Lord, it took you two words to fail.

    That's gotta be a record.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Liberal international order

    My Fucking Lord, it took you two words to fail.

    That's gotta be a record.
    Um what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Um what?
    Biden is not the boss of the international order, he is the Resident of the United States of America and swears an oath of office to America, not to the international order.
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