Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

[Althea]

He can't but at least end the fighting now. The war is not going well for Ukraine in Donetsk and Luhansk . Do you really see Ukraine getting those areas back anytime soon without wiping them off the earth?

I think once the Russians are all gathered there, a massive assault will end their lives, and the war.

Much better weapons are on the way.

[Althea]

Putin's promises can't be trusted.

This ultimately gets worse for Russia. They are making slow gains now, but I believe there is something big on the horizon.

Morale is even worse now among the Russian troops.

[dukkha]

Armor doesn't win these kind of wars in the 21st century. Artillery, drones, air power do. Russia is the world's largest artillery army.

Nothing the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin promises can be trusted. Whatever territorial concessions Kyiv offers him now, he'll just be back for more later.

Artillery works in Donbas small villages,
but not Kyiv.
It's too easy for Uk regulars to mix in the population. we've seen that in Kyiv and Kharkiv and great Buhhda only knows where else.

You can pulverize and pulverize,but sooner or later you have to advance and seize land to conquer.

And that's where the JAVELIN comes in. Squads of 5 or 6 men can take out a tank
They can hide behind rubble of building or trees. Same with drones - drones cant control territory
eventually you need boots and boots need armor

[dukkha]

Who can trust an odious vile monster like Putin?

i beleive i've gone over the details..not a matter of trust, it's a matter of force and logistics

Putin threw in almost everything he had to take Kyiv -
what could he possibly do different to be successful this time?

[dukkha]

Even Zelenskyy is facing reality. The war can go on indefinitely or both sides can come to an agreement not satisfactory to either side. And there can always be a resistance against the hated Russians.

no resistance where Russia is in control in Donbas - the populace wants Russian control
Black Sea coast im unsure of - but Crimea is Russian and happy about it

[dukkha]

Nothing wrong with an reaching a ceasefire without requiring Ukraine to recognize Donbass, Crimea, Azov Sea coast as Russian territory

ROFL
how do you propose to sell that to Putin who holds the advantage in those areas??
He's doesnt want a cease-fire, he wants recognition this (areas you mentioned) is now fully Russian territory

[dukkha]

With the exception of Russia getting absolutely no Ukraine soil

[archives]

ROFL
how do you propose to sell that to Putin who holds the advantage in those areas??
He's doesnt want a cease-fire, he wants recognition this (areas you mentioned) is now fully Russian territory

“He doesn’t want a cease fire,” never has, until the entire Ukraine falls, he won’t stop, and Molvania will be next

[dukkha]

Zelensky isnt stupid. he knows the east is lost. He wants to save what he can on the Black Sea
Best thing for him is a settlement now - Ukraine is also running out of fuel. Putin knows all this

Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has redefined its principal objective as capturing the east.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...sh-2022-05-26/

Reuters journalists in Russian-held territory further south saw proof of Moscow's advance in Svitlodarsk, where Ukrainian forces withdrew earlier this week.

The town is now firmly under control of pro-Russian fighters, who have occupied the local government building and hung a Soviet hammer and sickle flag at the door.

Reuters drone footage of the nearby abandoned battlefield showed craters pockmarking a green field surrounded by wrecked buildings. Pro-Russian fighters were milling about in trenches. Ukraine's military said 50 towns in Donetsk and Luhansk came under shelling on Thursday, with nine civilians killed.

Russia's recent gains in the Donbas follow the surrender of Ukraine's garrison in Mariupol last week, and suggest a shift in momentum after weeks in which Ukrainian forces had advanced near Kharkiv in the northeast.

"Recent Russian gains offer a sobering check on expectations for the near term," tweeted defence analyst Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the U.S.-based CNA think-tank.

Russian troops have broken through Ukrainian lines at Popasna, south of Sievierodonetsk, and are threatening to encircle Ukrainian forces, he wrote.

Ukrainian interior ministry adviser Vadym Denisenko told a briefing 25 Russian battalions were attempting to surround the Ukrainian forces.

he Donbas advance has been backed by massive artillery bombardment. Ukraine's armed forces said more than 40 towns in the region had been shelled in the past 24 hours, destroying or damaging 47 civilian sites, including 38 homes and a school.

Western countries led by the United States have provided Ukraine with long-range weaponry, including M777 howitzers from Washington and Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Denmark.

Washington is even considering providing Kyiv with a rocket system that can have a range of hundreds of kilometers
"We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

[dukkha]

“He doesn’t want a cease fire,” never has, until the entire Ukraine falls, he won’t stop, and Molvania will be next

Putin knows by hard losses Ukraine cant be taken. Moldova already has Russian troops in it-
yes he'd love to control Odesa and the entire coast . .he cant do it, he has to stay about 50 kilometers from the coast to avoid Neptune anti-ship missiles

[cancel2 2022]

i beleive i've gone over the details..not a matter of trust, it's a matter of force and logistics

Putin threw in almost everything he had to take Kyiv -
what could he possibly do different to be successful this time?

Hopefully Putin ends up dead or his malignant influence is severely curtailed after this. Russians will be truly angry when the true costs of this pointless war are finally realised.

[cancel2 2022]

“He doesn’t want a cease fire,” never has, until the entire Ukraine falls, he won’t stop, and Molvania will be next

I think you mean Moldova, don't you? Molvania is the name of a country most famous for being the birthplace of polka and the Molvanîan Sneezing Hound.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/10/04/molvania

[dukkha]

Hopefully Putin ends up dead or his malignant influence is severely curtailed after this. Russians will be truly angry when the true costs of this pointless war are finally realised.

no question Putin made a serious mistake by trying to take all of Ukraine to the Dnieper

But from Russia's POV it's not pointless. Keeping Ukraine as a buffer as Kissinger recently said and the Lavrov letters on Russian redlines were laughed off by Biden/Blinken,.

years of treating Russia as an unwanted stepchild, NATO expansion etc. got us here

[Hawkeye10]

With the exception of Russia getting absolutely no Ukraine soil

Kissinger just said the other day that Ukraine has no choice, they must cede soil.

[Hawkeye10]

no question Putin made a serious mistake by trying to take all of Ukraine to the Dnieper

But from Russia's POV it's not pointless. Keeping Ukraine as a buffer as Kissinger recently said and the Lavrov letters on Russian redlines were laughed off by Biden/Blinken,.

years of treating Russia as an unwanted stepchild, NATO expansion etc. got us here

Putin misunderstood his military capacity, the plan itself was sound.