Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

[Cypress]

How about -' If NATO comes at me again I will surely nuke your ass '

I don't believe Putin's nuclear bluster.

And therefore Putin dooms Russia to incineration, good plan if he supposedly follows through

[Cypress]

There are no other options.

That's what Neville Chamberlain said

[Hawkeye10]

Power....The Empire deals in power.

The Yap can walk.

[Hawkeye10]

That's what Neville Chamberlain said

Its reality that matters, not who said what.

[anonymoose]

rebuld what areas? Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic?
They might if sanctions are dropped but they aint got the money even if they wanted to
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It's the same thing in Syria -why I always said just get out and let Russia have that rubble

Basically what I'm saying. "Let Russia have the responsibility "

[Cypress]

Its reality that matters, not who said what.

You thought Putin and his invincible army would roll over Ukraine in three days, so your judgement is neither good nor impartial.

[Hawkeye10]

You thought Putin and his invincible army would roll over Ukraine in three days, so your judgement is neither good nor impartial.

LIAR

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lol. Zelensky is getting beaten in Donbas. Putin got beaten in the push for Kyiv
Putin gets Donbas and the land route to Crimea, at great cost.

Zelensky gets a shattered nation ( as he says in the OP)

so when they accept this -they'll talk -as to your question Putin can't make a putsch again to Kyiv
armor is useless - why he couldnt the first time

now get someone sane ( I never thought i'd say this) like Erdogan to mediate and end this

But you are ignoring “cypress’s” point, how can anyone believe anything Putin says? Putin settles on an agreement favorable to him, the Ukraine demobilizes, and month later Putin again pushes on for more territory

Can the Ukraine win, no, but their best hope is to stall and frustrate Putin long enough so that he or the Russian people have had enough, it is costing them

[anonymoose]

I don't believe Putin's nuclear bluster.

I haven't heard any of that lately. Makes me wonder if Xi told him to back off with that kind of talk.

[Hawkeye10]

I haven't heard any of that lately. Makes me wonder if Xi told him to back off with that kind of talk.

China is certainly in charge. This has to be humiliating for Russia but there it is.

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I haven't heard any of that lately. Makes me wonder if Xi told him to back off with that kind of talk.

You actually think Putin takes orders from Xi?

[Hawkeye10]

You actually think Putin takes orders from Xi?

They would not be framed as orders but China gets what they demand, Russia has lost the ability to say no to China.

America is the reason this has happened, we have completely lost Russia, and any hope of getting them back on our side.

[Cypress]

Basically what I'm saying. "Let Russia have the responsibility "

You may be willing to surrender and submit to an invader, I don't think Ukranians will.

There is nothing Putin can promise that will be trusted. If Zalensky gives him Donbass and the southern coast, there is no way to trust Putin will stop there. He could be back in 12 months with a reinforced Russian army for another assault on Kyiv.

[Hawkeye10]

You may be willing to surrender and submit to an invader, I don't think Ukranians will.

There is nothing Putin can promise that will be trusted. If Zalensky gives him Donbass and the southern coast, there is no way to trust Putin will stop there. He could be back in 12 months with a reinforced Russian army for another assault on Kyiv.

It will take Russia many years to rebuild, and there was never an assault on Kiev, you are completely delusional.

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They would not be framed as orders but China gets what they demand, Russia has lost the ability to say no to China.

America is the reason this has happened, we have completely lost Russia, and any hope of getting them back on our side.

Wait a minute, are you telling us now Russia is a puppet of China? That what is decided in the Kremlin comes via Tiananmen Square?