Page 1 of 9 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 135

Thread: Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

  1. #1 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    43,479
    Thanks
    12,574
    Thanked 23,756 Times in 16,563 Posts
    Groans
    249
    Groaned 1,622 Times in 1,532 Posts

    Default Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrain...utin-zelenskyy
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that while Ukraine was not eager to have a dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his country has to face the reality that communication will likely be needed to end the war.

    "There are things to discuss with the Russian leader. I'm not telling you that to me our people are eager to talk to him, but we have to face the realities of what we are living through," he said in an address.

    "What do we want from this meeting … We want our lives back ... We want to reclaim the life of a sovereign country within its own territory," he said.

    On Thursday, the Kremlin said that it expects Ukraine to accept Russia's demands and "the understanding of the real situation that exists de-facto."

    Russia's assault on Ukraine has not let up and its military on Friday pounded the last Ukrainian strongholds in a separatist-controlled eastern province of Ukraine.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to dukkha For This Post:

    moon (05-27-2022)

  3. #2 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    43,479
    Thanks
    12,574
    Thanked 23,756 Times in 16,563 Posts
    Groans
    249
    Groaned 1,622 Times in 1,532 Posts

    Default

    he's gonna have to accept Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic.
    Putin is going to have to accept Russia isn't going to get control of the Dnieper.

    But there is still the Black Sea coast line. Odesa stays Ukrainian ( they need a port)
    bit the rest goes to Russia

    Donbas is just about gone Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk will fall and that's it for Luhansk & Donetsk

    The US can't be involved in talks -we are too bellicose. Some NATO nation or EU has to step up for talks

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to dukkha For This Post:

    moon (05-27-2022)

  5. #3 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    58,307
    Thanks
    35,817
    Thanked 50,814 Times in 27,409 Posts
    Groans
    22
    Groaned 2,977 Times in 2,694 Posts

    Default

    What can the duplicitous liar Vlad Putin say or promise that will be trusted?

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Cypress For This Post:

    Guno צְבִי (05-27-2022)

  7. #4 | Top
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Location
    Anchorage, AK. Waikoloa, HI
    Posts
    18,951
    Thanks
    6,533
    Thanked 11,509 Times in 7,590 Posts
    Groans
    17
    Groaned 274 Times in 257 Posts
    Blog Entries
    21

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    he's gonna have to accept Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic.
    Putin is going to have to accept Russia isn't going to get control of the Dnieper.

    But there is still the Black Sea coast line. Odesa stays Ukrainian ( they need a port)
    bit the rest goes to Russia

    Donbas is just about gone Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk will fall and that's it for Luhansk & Donetsk

    The US can't be involved in talks -we are too bellicose. Some NATO nation or EU has to step up for talks
    Let Russia have the responsibility of rebulding those areas. They're the hardest hit. Like I said earlier this could/should be similar to the outcome of the Winter War with Finland.

  8. #5 | Top
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Location
    Anchorage, AK. Waikoloa, HI
    Posts
    18,951
    Thanks
    6,533
    Thanked 11,509 Times in 7,590 Posts
    Groans
    17
    Groaned 274 Times in 257 Posts
    Blog Entries
    21

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What can the duplicitous liar Vlad Putin say or promise that will be trusted?
    He can't but at least end the fighting now. The war is not going well for Ukraine in Donetsk and Luhansk . Do you really see Ukraine getting those areas back anytime soon without wiping them off the earth?

  9. #6 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Posts
    24,216
    Thanks
    3,181
    Thanked 10,098 Times in 7,521 Posts
    Groans
    49
    Groaned 1,106 Times in 1,051 Posts

    Default

    The US and NATO need to get off their cowardly asses and actively support Ukraine militarily.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

  10. #7 | Top
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Olympia, Wa
    Posts
    71,571
    Thanks
    3,134
    Thanked 15,125 Times in 12,648 Posts
    Groans
    1
    Groaned 1,451 Times in 1,395 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Ukraine is nowhere near ready to face reality.

    The needless pain continues.
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

  11. #8 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    43,479
    Thanks
    12,574
    Thanked 23,756 Times in 16,563 Posts
    Groans
    249
    Groaned 1,622 Times in 1,532 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What can the duplicitous liar Vlad Putin say or promise that will be trusted?
    lol. Zelensky is getting beaten in Donbas. Putin got beaten in the push for Kyiv
    Putin gets Donbas and the land route to Crimea, at great cost.

    Zelensky gets a shattered nation ( as he says in the OP)

    so when they accept this -they'll talk -as to your question Putin can't make a putsch again to Kyiv
    armor is useless - why he couldnt the first time

    now get someone sane ( I never thought i'd say this) like Erdogan to mediate and end this

  12. #9 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    43,479
    Thanks
    12,574
    Thanked 23,756 Times in 16,563 Posts
    Groans
    249
    Groaned 1,622 Times in 1,532 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The US and NATO need to get off their cowardly asses and actively support Ukraine militarily.
    WTF do you think has been happening?
    If you want US /NATO troops in Ukraine, that's insane

  13. #10 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    43,479
    Thanks
    12,574
    Thanked 23,756 Times in 16,563 Posts
    Groans
    249
    Groaned 1,622 Times in 1,532 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Let Russia have the responsibility of rebulding those areas. They're the hardest hit. Like I said earlier this could/should be similar to the outcome of the Winter War with Finland.
    rebuld what areas? Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic?
    They might if sanctions are dropped but they aint got the money even if they wanted to
    ~~
    It's the same thing in Syria -why I always said just get out and let Russia have that rubble

  14. #11 | Top
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    45,205
    Thanks
    9,837
    Thanked 7,428 Times in 5,875 Posts
    Groans
    0
    Groaned 6,544 Times in 6,285 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The US and NATO need to get off their cowardly asses and actively support Ukraine militarily.
    How about they show some moral fiber and support Palestine ? It's been 74 years, not 3 months.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

    Maria Ressa.

  15. #12 | Top
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    45,205
    Thanks
    9,837
    Thanked 7,428 Times in 5,875 Posts
    Groans
    0
    Groaned 6,544 Times in 6,285 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What can the duplicitous liar Vlad Putin say or promise that will be trusted?
    How about -' If NATO comes at me again I will surely nuke your ass '
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

    Maria Ressa.

  16. #13 | Top
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Olympia, Wa
    Posts
    71,571
    Thanks
    3,134
    Thanked 15,125 Times in 12,648 Posts
    Groans
    1
    Groaned 1,451 Times in 1,395 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    2 days ago:


    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Wednesday that he was only willing to talk directly to Vladimir Putin and not via intermediators.

    He added that if the Russian president "understands reality" there was the possibility of finding a diplomatic way out of the conflict.

    Zelenskiy, speaking to an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, also said that Ukraine would fight until it recovered all of its territory.

    The Ukrainian president said that Moscow should withdraw its troops back to the lines in place before Russia began its invasion on Feb. 24.

    "That might be a first step towards talks," he said, adding that Russia has been playing for time in its talks with Ukraine.
    https://www.aol.com/news/ukraines-ze...115711012.html

    This fucker is all over the place, he is still not serious.
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

  17. #14 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    58,307
    Thanks
    35,817
    Thanked 50,814 Times in 27,409 Posts
    Groans
    22
    Groaned 2,977 Times in 2,694 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    lol. Zelensky is getting beaten in Donbas. Putin got beaten in the push for Kyiv
    Putin gets Donbas and the land route to Crimea, at great cost.

    Zelensky gets a shattered nation ( as he says in the OP)

    so when they accept this -they'll talk -as to your question Putin can't make a putsch again to Kyiv
    armor is useless - why he couldnt the first time

    now get someone sane ( I never thought i'd say this) like Erdogan to mediate and end this
    Putin's promises can't be trusted.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to Cypress For This Post:

    Althea (05-27-2022)

  19. #15 | Top
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Olympia, Wa
    Posts
    71,571
    Thanks
    3,134
    Thanked 15,125 Times in 12,648 Posts
    Groans
    1
    Groaned 1,451 Times in 1,395 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Putin's promises can't be trusted.
    There are no other options.
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

Similar Threads

  1. The Ukraine Conflict
    By Matt Dillon in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 05-19-2022, 06:06 AM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-02-2022, 09:06 AM
  3. Zelenskyy says Ukraine 'must admit' it won't join NATO
    By Guno צְבִי in forum General Politics Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-15-2022, 10:02 AM
  4. China names the US as the offender in the Ukraine conflict
    By moon in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: 02-25-2022, 11:05 AM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-04-2019, 07:34 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Rules

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •