"Texas elementary school shooting: 16 dead, including 14 kids"

[Mr.Badguy]

A bigger issue is the fact this kid was known to be a threat but nothing was done until he committed mass murder.

All the mass shooter of note were nut jobs. People knew they were nutjobs, but our laws are inadequate to help such people before they hurt themselves and others.

The news has talking heads regurgitating the "45,000 gun violence deaths" while forgetting to mention that almost 2/3s of those deaths are single-shot suicides. They obviously don't give a shit about the suicides that don't use a firearm.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...hs-in-the-u-s/
In 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)


Thanks Trump!

Yep, Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to own firearms. Any time legislation comes along to prevent the mentally ill from getting guns, conservatives complain that vets with PTSD won't be able to get them, or that anyone can just label a conservative as mentally ill (which is making more sense by the day, btw).

[Doc Dutch]

Yep, Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to own firearms. Any time legislation comes along to prevent the mentally ill from getting guns, conservatives complain that vets with PTSD won't be able to get them, or that anyone can just label a conservative as mentally ill (which is making more sense by the day, btw).

Yet the fucking Democrats think they can get a gun ban bill passed? This is a medical issue, specifically mental health.

Yes, Obama wanted to ban guns from vets with PTSD. That wasn't the problem; the problem was that there was little to no effective means to get off that list.

Consider this scenario: A college student's roommate is killed road surfing and becomes depressed. He seeks treatment and, per the law, is put on a list to not own or possess a gun. 40 years later he's a successful, retired business man who never had any further mental health issues and wants to buy a .22 rifle to take his grandson squirrel hunting. He finds he's blocked from owning a firearm. IMO, that's not justice.

Secondly, if we're going to ban people from owning guns, shouldn't we ban them from voting and driving cars?

[PostmodernProphet]

Who the f*ck cares what the guy is, he obviously had easy access to the billions of guns available in America and employed one to kill fourteen elementary school children

obviously if owning guns were illegal this would never have happened.......people who kill 19 second graders would never break the law, would they?......

[Mr.Badguy]

Yet the fucking Democrats think they can get a gun ban bill passed? This is a medical issue, specifically mental health.

Yes, Obama wanted to ban guns from vets with PTSD. That wasn't the problem; the problem was that there was little to no effective means to get off that list.

Consider this scenario: A college student's roommate is killed road surfing and becomes depressed. He seeks treatment and, per the law, is put on a list to not own or possess a gun. 40 years later he's a successful, retired business man who never had any further mental health issues and wants to buy a .22 rifle to take his grandson squirrel hunting. He finds he's blocked from owning a firearm. IMO, that's not justice.

Secondly, if we're going to ban people from owning guns, shouldn't we ban them from voting and driving cars?

Then why not amend the EO with an appeals process or a clear path to medical clearance after examination? Trump just undid the whole thing and put us back to square one.

Our country should not have these shootings. Either it's a mental illness issue, or a gun issue, or both. In any case, conservatives won't do jack shit about any of it, and they'll actively prevent anyone from trying.

[PostmodernProphet]

American society suffers from a glorified mental illness.

how do you feel about suicide bombers?.......isn't that a mental illness that some glorify?......

[Doc Dutch]

Then why not amend the EO with an appeals process or a clear path to medical clearance after examination? Trump just undid the whole thing and put us back to square one.

Our country should not have these shootings. Either it's a mental illness issue, or a gun issue, or both. In any case, conservatives won't do jack shit about any of it, and they'll actively prevent anyone from trying.

Agreed. Why didn't Obama offer that?

It's a mental illness issue. If not a gun, then chain the doors shut and burn down the entire school, make propane bombs, drive a loaded truck (mass) through a crowd, etc.

The problem is sick people harming others. The Democratic solution is to punish all the innocent people out of fear.

[Lionfish]

Agreed. Why didn't Obama offer that?

It's a mental illness issue. If not a gun, then chain the doors shut and burn down the entire school, make propane bombs, drive a loaded truck (mass) through a crowd, etc.

The problem is sick people harming others. The Democratic solution is to punish all the innocent people out of fear.

Hell hath frozen over if only for one day. I agree with you.

[Sirthinksalot]

Will Alex Jones say they are all crisis actors?

Who?

[Doc Dutch]

Hell hath frozen over if only for one day. I agree with you.

Unfortunately, both the Democrats and the Republicans are heavy on federalism and light on freedom for all. They just disagree on how to subjugate Americans to their own advantage.

[Doc Dutch]

Who?

Alex Jones. The first domino to fall in a long line of Pedo Don supporting wackadoodles.

[SmarterthanYou]

the Dems are weak but at least they want what's right

[SmarterthanYou]

Not sure which that one was, but there's no reason there isn't a national data base for businesses to check to verify eligibility to work, rent/buy or own a gun.

A pawn shop clerk running a background check doesn't need to know the buyer's medical history, just whether the buyer passes or not. If it's not, then the buyer should be given a code reference number to contact an agency on why his purchase was denied.

we have that now, it's called NICS

[SmarterthanYou]

Yep, Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to own firearms

[Doc Dutch]

we have that now, it's called NICS

Obviously there are problems with the system since Ramos bought two and Dylann Roof leaked through.

[SmarterthanYou]

Obviously there are problems with the system since Ramos bought two and Dylann Roof leaked through.

what criteria did they not meet?