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    Default THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS...

    ... a "gender non-binary person". Change my mind.


    Here are the rules of this thread; the requirements in order to change my mind:

    [1] You MUST clearly and unambiguously define the term "gender non-binary person" (or "genderqueer person") in a manner that doesn't violate logic and/or science. --- Any and all appeals to HOLY LINKS (e.g, to Wikipedia or to a random dictionary definition) are NOT ALLOWED and will be summarily dismissed on sight.

    [2] You MUST clearly and unambiguously describe a "third option" of some sort. Meaning, you must identify and describe:

    [2a] A sex other than male or female.
    [2b] A sex chromosome other than X or Y.


    The floor is yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    ... a "gender non-binary person". Change my mind.


    Here are the rules of this thread; the requirements in order to change my mind:

    [1] You MUST clearly and unambiguously define the term "gender non-binary person" (or "genderqueer person") in a manner that doesn't violate logic and/or science. --- Any and all appeals to HOLY LINKS (e.g, to Wikipedia or to a random dictionary definition) are NOT ALLOWED and will be summarily dismissed on sight.

    [2] You MUST clearly and unambiguously describe a "third option" of some sort. Meaning, you must identify and describe:

    [2a] A sex other than male or female.
    [2b] A sex chromosome other than X or Y.


    The floor is yours!
    In about 1% of all births, babies have some form of ambiguous genitalia, such as a very large clitoris or very small penis. In more rare cases—between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births—genitalia is so ambiguous that medical specialists are brought in for a consultation.

    Yes, it's rare- BUT IT EXISTS!

    The problem children have is when they realize they are not normal.

    If you were a parent to one of these rare cases, you would probably understand the complexity of the issue and empathize with it yourself.

    All youth require the support and acceptance of their family, peers, and communities to thrive. Transgender and gender-nonconforming youth are no exception; their health and well-being is heavily influenced by the institutions and communities that surround them. Although youth who identify as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth have among the highest rates of suicide, depression, and self-harm, a supportive and safe environment can significantly reduce these risks. Ensuring that transgender youth are referred to according to their identified genders, and with their chosen names, is a critical factor in establishing this type of environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    In about 1% of all births, babies have some form of ambiguous genitalia, such as a very large clitoris or very small penis. In more rare cases—between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births—genitalia is so ambiguous that medical specialists are brought in for a consultation.

    Yes, it's rare- BUT IT EXISTS!
    You have not defined the term "gender non-binary person" per my Rule #1, nor have you provided a clear example of the existence of any sex other than male or female, or any sex chromosome other than X or Y, per my Rule #2.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    You have not defined the term "gender non-binary person" per my Rule #1, nor have you provided a clear example of the existence of any sex other than male or female, or any sex chromosome other than X or Y, per my Rule #2.

    Try again.
    I don't play by your rules that you established to play into your narrow cheap-shot political narrative that hermaphrodites do not exist.

    I play by the rules of scientific and medical facts based on research and study!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    ... a "gender non-binary person". Change my mind.


    Here are the rules of this thread; the requirements in order to change my mind:

    [1] You MUST clearly and unambiguously define the term "gender non-binary person" (or "genderqueer person") in a manner that doesn't violate logic and/or science. --- Any and all appeals to HOLY LINKS (e.g, to Wikipedia or to a random dictionary definition) are NOT ALLOWED and will be summarily dismissed on sight.

    [2] You MUST clearly and unambiguously describe a "third option" of some sort. Meaning, you must identify and describe:

    [2a] A sex other than male or female.
    [2b] A sex chromosome other than X or Y.


    The floor is yours!
    Why do you personally need to be convinced of something and why do you need others to do the convincing? Go read up on it. Make up your mind. Whatever conclusion you come to...keep it to yourself because there are people out there trying to live their lives without people like you unconvinced they should live it...that way...which has zero impact on your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    In about 1% of all births, babies have some form of ambiguous genitalia, such as a very large clitoris or very small penis. In more rare cases—between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births—genitalia is so ambiguous that medical specialists are brought in for a consultation.

    Yes, it's rare- BUT IT EXISTS!

    The problem children have is when they realize they are not normal.

    If you were a parent to one of these rare cases, you would probably understand the complexity of the issue and empathize with it yourself.
    No he wouldn't.

    I would bet on it, Geeko. You give him too much credit with that comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I don't play by your rules that you established
    This is MY thread, thus it will operate under MY rules (whether or not you like them). If you don't like my thread rules, then you can always withdraw yourself from participation in my thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    to play into your narrow cheap-shot political narrative that hermaphrodites do not exist.
    Hallucination. No such claim was made.

    Even hermaphrodites remain in adherence to the binary system of which I describe in my OP (namely, that the only two sexes are male & female and that the only two sex chromosomes are X & Y), as the very position of "it is difficult to determine male or female" itself assumes the existence of a binary male/female system.

    My request of you, on the other hand, is to first define what a "gender non-binary person" supposedly is, and to then provide me with an example of the existence of a third sex (other than male or female) and a third sex chromosome (other than X or Y). You have yet to do this, therefore I have yet to change my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I play by the rules of scientific and medical facts based on research and study!
    No, you are illiterate in science and logic.


    Try again, if you wish.

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    This is much like gay marriage. Even if I "don't believe" in it, it is still a legal reality and folks that participate in such a marriage do not hurt me by doing so.

    So, is this a legal reality? Yes, you can even get driver licenses in most state that list your gender as "X"...
    Does it hurt me if they do this? No. Even if I think they are delusional, it doesn't hurt me to let them do as they want.

    Do I think we should curb folks' freedoms because you don't believe in something? No. I don't care if you believe in something different, you get to act accordingly. That's what freedom is all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolred44 View Post
    Why do you personally need to be convinced of something and why do you need others to do the convincing?
    This thread is simply an opportunity for anyone who believes that "gender non-binary people" exist to make their logic and science-based case for that existence (iow, to "change my mind", or to otherwise show me that my position is in error).

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolred44 View Post
    Go read up on it.
    I already have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolred44 View Post
    Make up your mind. Whatever conclusion you come to...keep it to yourself
    No. You don't control my speech, Commie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolred44 View Post
    because there are people out there trying to live their lives without people like you unconvinced they should live it...that way...which has zero impact on your life.
    Hallucination. Try reading and comprehending what I type.



    TO ALL: The above exchange is yet another example of a libtard poster who refuses to not only read and comprehend the OP, but also refuses to follow the clearly-stated rules of this thread. If you are unable to follow the thread rules, then you can always run away like the other liberals on this forum.

    Let me know when you are ready to provide a response that is in accordance with the thread rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    No he wouldn't.

    I would bet on it, Geeko. You give him too much credit with that comment.
    Off topic.

    Please follow the thread rules as stated in my OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    This is much like gay marriage. Even if I "don't believe" in it, it is still a legal reality and folks that participate in such a marriage do not hurt me by doing so.

    So, is this a legal reality? Yes, you can even get driver licenses in most state that list your gender as "X"...
    Does it hurt me if they do this? No. Even if I think they are delusional, it doesn't hurt me to let them do as they want.

    Do I think we should curb folks' freedoms because you don't believe in something? No. I don't care if you believe in something different, you get to act accordingly. That's what freedom is all about.
    The term "gender non-binary person" is nothing more than meaningless gibberbabble, whether or not it happens to be a "legal reality", as it is something that doesn't exist in human anatomy (and cannot even be defined, as is being shown by everyone-so-far who has completely ignored my thread rules via refusing to define the term and refusing to provide me with a supposed "third option" with regard to sex and sex chromosomes). Without this, it can only be reasonably concluded that this system is binary (thus "non-binary" does not exist within this system).

    This isn't about feelings (or even about freedom); this is about human anatomy (and being honest about it rather than deluding ourselves with gibberbabble).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    ... a "gender non-binary person". Change my mind.


    Here are the rules of this thread; the requirements in order to change my mind:

    [1] You MUST clearly and unambiguously define the term "gender non-binary person" (or "genderqueer person") in a manner that doesn't violate logic and/or science. --- Any and all appeals to HOLY LINKS (e.g, to Wikipedia or to a random dictionary definition) are NOT ALLOWED and will be summarily dismissed on sight.

    [2] You MUST clearly and unambiguously describe a "third option" of some sort. Meaning, you must identify and describe:

    [2a] A sex other than male or female.
    [2b] A sex chromosome other than X or Y.


    The floor is yours!
    It just means the person doesn't identify as either male or female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The term "gender non-binary person" is nothing more than meaningless gibberbabble, whether or not it happens to be a "legal reality", as it is something that doesn't exist in human anatomy (and cannot even be defined, as is being shown by everyone-so-far who has completely ignored my thread rules via refusing to define the term and refusing to provide me with a supposed "third option" with regard to sex and sex chromosomes). Without this, it can only be reasonably concluded that this system is binary (thus "non-binary" does not exist within this system).

    This isn't about feelings (or even about freedom); this is about human anatomy (and being honest about it rather than deluding ourselves with gibberbabble).
    Right, babble on about your belief in what you think is right, just don't expect me to care. Much like gay marriage, I just don't give a crap if you "believe in it"... No matter what you think happens here these folks will still be going around being treated like this by the law even if you don't "believe in it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Do I think we should curb folks' freedoms because you don't believe in something? No. I don't care if you believe in something different, you get to act accordingly. That's what freedom is all about.
    Some want government to dictate all our beliefs and standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Some want government to dictate all our beliefs and standards.
    North Korea?
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