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    Default China fears Biden's Indo-Pacific NATO

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    China is alarmed by the Quad. But its threats are driving the group closer together

    The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, colloquially the Quad, is a strategic security dialogue between Australia, India, Japan, and the United States.

    When the United States, Japan, Australia and India first resuscitated their informal dialogue from a decade-long hiatus in late 2017, China was confident it would soon fail.

    More than four years on, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue -- better known as "the Quad" -- is far from dissipating. Instead, it has only grown in momentum, profile and clout.

    Convened around the mantra of promoting a "free and open Indo-Pacific," the four countries have held two naval exercises since 2020. Their leaders have assembled three times since last year -- including an in-person summit at the White House.

    On Tuesday, the four leaders will meet face to face again in Tokyo. Their summit will be a highlight of Joe Biden's first trip to Asia as the US President, as he seeks to strengthen alliances and partnerships to counter China's growing influence in the region.

    The renewed activity has seen China's initial scorn turn into alarm, with Beijing viewing the grouping as part of Washington's attempt to encircle the country with strategic and military allies. Wang, the foreign minister, has decried the grouping as an "Indo-Pacific NATO," accusing it of "trumpeting the Cold War mentality" and "stoking geopolitical rivalry."

    That concern has only grown since the Ukraine crisis. Beijing's backing of Moscow has further damaged its global image, leaving it more isolated on the world stage. And that is not helped by China's insistence on a zero-Covid policy, in which stringent border restrictions are cutting the country off from a world that has largely moved on from the pandemic.

    While Biden travels the world to reinforce ties, his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping hasn't left China in 25 months. Biden's latest flurry of diplomacy, with stops in South Korea and Japan, has particularly irked Beijing.

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    What the dim witted Trump never understood is that authoritarianism is on the ascent, and the world's democracies need to be united to challenge this threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What the dim witted Trump never understood is that authoritarianism is on the ascent, and the world's democracies need to be united to challenge this threat.
    being a democracy is no inherent power. The one good things about "authoritarianism"
    ( one man/party rule) is a cohesive policy over time
    Like Biden comes in and NEEDLESSLY overturns everything Trump did and leaves us energy dependent
    no viable trade deal with China, and decommissioning ships ( the border as well)

    The Quad is security pact, and trying to make it into an economic block isn't going to work
    China will pick them off 1 by one

    Still getting India into a western security alliance is a big deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    being a democracy is no inherent power. The one good things about "authoritarianism"
    ( one man/party rule) is a cohesive policy over time
    Like Biden comes in and NEEDLESSLY overturns everything Trump did and leaves us energy dependent
    no viable trade deal with China, and decommissioning ships ( the border as well)

    The Quad is security pact, and trying to make it into an economic block isn't going to work
    China will pick them off 1 by one

    Still getting India into a western security alliance is a big deal
    So your preference is for authoritarianism.

    It's no wonder you wanted America to beg the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin to be our friend.

    I am throwing my lot in with the world's democracies: Australia, Japan, India, France, United Kingdom, Germany, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    So your preference is for authoritarianism.

    It's no wonder you wanted America to beg the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin to be our friend.

    I am throwing my lot in with the world's democracies: Australia, Japan, India, France, United Kingdom, Germany, etc.
    my preference is American democracy as a functioning government -we dont do that much anymore
    Biden is guilty as all hell on this - but the trend is to overturn previous policy

    That said I dont want authoritarianism,but it does have that going for it

    as to the "Indo-Pacific Trade thingy" -its going nowhere

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    You have forgotten what it means to be an American.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What the dim witted Trump never understood is that authoritarianism is on the ascent, and the world's democracies need to be united to challenge this threat.
    Trump understood peace through power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    You have forgotten what it means to be an American.
    im not calling for "authoritarianism" (and it cant exist in the USA)
    I am pointing out the benefits of a continued policy that survives past each administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Trump understood peace through power.
    Fuck no! Trump understood the abuse of power of the oval office!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Trump understood peace through power.


    Everything Trump did was transactional, everyone who advised Trump on foreign policy thought he was an idiot. Trump was swayed by false flattery.
    "Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLame View Post
    Trump understood peace through power.
    Ah- like you do.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    im not calling for "authoritarianism" (and it cant exist in the USA)
    I am pointing out the benefits of a continued policy that survives past each administration
    You didn't seem upset in the least that Trump bailed out of the intentional nuclear treaty with Iran, and the Paris climate accord, both of which took years of painstaking international negotiations.

    What you really want is for your policy preferences to be kept forever, which is dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    my preference is American democracy as a functioning government -we dont do that much anymore
    Biden is guilty as all hell on this - but the trend is to overturn previous policy

    That said I dont want authoritarianism,but it does have that going for it

    as to the "Indo-Pacific Trade thingy" -its going nowhere
    We are fortunate to have a president who is personally invested in cultivating a security relationship with India, Australia, Japan as a counterweight to Communist China.

    One of Trump's first acts in office was to call the prime minister of Australia to insult and harangue him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What the dim witted Trump never understood is that authoritarianism is on the ascent, and the world's democracies need to be united to challenge this threat.
    Apparently you do not realize who was president four years ago or understand that this restoration of the QSD began under that president you say "never understood".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadri...urity_Dialogue

    During the 2017 ASEAN Summits in Manila, all four former members led by Abe, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and US President Donald Trump agreed to revive the quadrilateral alliance in order to counter China militarily and diplomatically in the "Indo-Pacific" region, particularly in the South China Sea. Tensions between Quad members and China have led to fears of what was dubbed by some commentators "a new Cold War" in the region.[3][4][5][6][7]
    The left just says nonsense about Trump and believe it because they want to, not because it is fact.
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