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“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
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No. What makes you think that?
What makes you think that? Remember, during Democratic administrations, poverty rates have, on average, dropped dramatically (over 12 points total since they started measuring), whereas under Republican ones poverty rates have actually risen, net. Don't those facts matter?We can change the president but we can't change the neolib race to the bottom policies.
Biden voted for pretty much every policy that helped the working class in the last several decades, including minimum wage hikes, child tax credits, new labor rights, collective bargaining protections, higher taxes on the rich, environmental protections, etc. I know it's really tempting to dismiss everyone as a neolib, so you can feel above the fray and too cool for both parties. But facts matter. The fact is Biden has been fighting for policies that help the working class for decades.Biden spent his entire political career screwing the working class yet you voted for him anyway
timeline 2 is unavoidable.
Yes, and by reducing the poverty rate, the number living in poverty is decreased.
Yes, because more Democrats tended to be earlier in that process, they had some higher rates, because even good policies don't change things overnight. Simply taking the average of each is silly. Again, it's like comparing two diets meant to help you lose weight. You go on the first diet for a year and drop weight from 300 pounds to 200, then you go on the second diet and gain weight from 200 pounds to 290 in a year. If you simply compared your average weight on each diet, you'd conclude the second diet was better. You'd also be a blithering moron.Average annual poverty rate under Democrats: 14.6%
Average annual poverty rate under Republicans: 12.7%
If you want to look at averages, then look at them relative to trend lines. Poverty fell from 22.4 to 11.4 between 1959 and 2020. So, an average year was about 0.18 points down. How did each president compare to that average?
I don't come at things from that perspective. I research what is happening and then take my position based on that. I had no view about whether Democrats or Republicans were better for the poor until I researched the historical data and found out Democrats were. Similarly, I had no view about which one was worse for inflation until I researched that and found that different reasonable ways to score that give you different results, so I don't have any strong view on it.I am not arguing about whether anything was better or worse under either party, I am just challenging the research and data used to try to prove partisan points.
Hello American Man,
The working class does a whole lot better with Democrats than Republicans.
Republicans are totally and completely subservient to the super-rich.
Democrats have some members who have sold out to big money, but not as many as Republicans, and Democrats do a better job of looking out for the 99%.
It is too easy to say the parties are the same, but the reality is far more complex.
If it wasn't for Democrats, the working class would have no minimum wage, no weekends, no overtime pay, no Social Security, no Medicare and no unemployment compensation. All of those things came from Democrats.
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Mina (05-24-2022)
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Hello Mina,
President Biden is a big money career politician who, among those things you mentioned, also voted to exclude student loan debt from personal bankruptcy. That helped the big banks that bankrolled his campaigns and got him into power, but it certainly did not help the unfortunate individual who attempted to gain more education, but for whatever reason, was unable to complete their education and get the job which would pay for the education.
Saddling someone like that with life debt is consigning them to a life of poverty.
Also consider that people could face things out of their own control, such as a divorce with kids, a big corporation deciding to leave a local economy high and dry with skyrocketing unemployment, or a major medical event without insurance.
Any one of those, a combination of them, or a myriad of other personal tragedies could end aspirations to complete higher education and qualify for a job that would pay off those student loans.
Even President Biden, a man who truly does try to look out for the little guy, has to bow to the wishes of the rich and powerful sometimes if he wants to continue to be in a position to help when he is able to and has the support of voters.
So there is at least one exception to Biden voting for 'pretty much every policy that helped the working class in the last several decades.'
Yes, I still voted for him. There is no perfect politician and the USA is logically a grand compromise. Certainly there is no question that the alternative would have been far worse.
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I believe in measurables -- otherwise, all we're doing is making assertions that harmonize with our emotional needs. So, does the working class, in fact, do a whole lot better with Democrats than Republicans, at PoliTalker says?
There are a number of measurables we could use to check that. As I previously mentioned, poverty rates are one. During Democratic administrations, the poverty rate fell, net, by over twelve points, whereas it experienced a net increase during Republican administration.
Or how about income. If we measure family income in real terms (adjusted for inflation), then at the median, between 1953 and 2000 (the period the Federal Reserve has data for), then in the average year with a Democratic president, income rose 1.77%, versus just 0.97% in the average year with a Republican president.
That may sound like a small difference, but think of what it means over time. In 1953, the median family earned $36,095 per year in today's dollars. If that had increased at the Republican rate (about 0.97%) every year, then today the median family would be earning about $68,833. If, on the other hand, it had spent the same time increasing at the Democratic rate (about 1.77%), then today the median family would be earning about $116,956.So, over time, that seemingly small difference in rates would be the difference in a middle-class family having nearly $50k extra in annual income. Or, to put it another way, over the course of that run, it's the difference of well over a million dollars of extra earnings.
So, yes, I think the working class does, in fact, do a whole lot better with Democrats than Republicans, as PoliTalker says.
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