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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeSpeech1789 View Post
    The best thing about Covid is that it killed millions upon millions of blue city leftist swine, we should all take a lesson from Covid and continue to slaughter Democrats in mass.
    You're an idiot in many respects including your inability to do math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeSpeech1789 View Post
    The best thing about Covid is that it killed millions upon millions of blue city leftist swine, we should all take a lesson from Covid and continue to slaughter Democrats in mass.
    You're boring. Onto the ignore list you go, loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That's a good method.

    Still, there will be more accurate data a few years from now. It's the anti-vaxx idiots who are disputing the numbers so much. They're all fucking morons so I don't worry about it too much.
    If they feel the need to dispute numbers, there are hundreds of countries whose COVID data is doubtful. Most of them are poorer countries that just don't have the resources to collect accurate data. Others outright fudge it to look better -- like China and Russia, for instance. According to Worldometer, there have been 6.3M deaths so far from COVID. My feeling is that it's far higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    If they feel the need to dispute numbers, there are hundreds of countries whose COVID data is doubtful. Most of them are poorer countries that just don't have the resources to collect accurate data. Others outright fudge it to look better -- like China and Russia, for instance. According to Worldometer, there have been 6.3M deaths so far from COVID. My feeling is that it's far higher.
    Agreed on all points. I think the polls are being conservative. The oddity is that the "conservatives" AKA Trump cocksuckers AKA Cultists drinking from the tap disbelieve all polls and only trust the information they are given from those they like such as Pedo Don, Tucker, Sean, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm so happy for them. It's a horrible disease. Wish him well and more years to come.
    He is a very good man. His daughter is a Veterinarian and his son now is an Orthopedic resident so he has educated his kids at least . I am very glad for him to see that at least. Interestingly his daughter her husband my friend and his wife all caught COVID at the same time. . My friend did the best out of the 4 of them. Odd HMHO. Thanks for the well wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed on all points. I think the polls are being conservative. The oddity is that the "conservatives" AKA Trump cocksuckers AKA Cultists drinking from the tap disbelieve all polls and only trust the information they are given from those they like such as Pedo Don, Tucker, Sean, etc.
    Well, the COVID data is not a poll; it is actual data not based on someone's opinion of something. The fact that they dispute *that* is part of why they have no credibility with everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    He is a very good man. His daughter is a Veterinarian and his son now is an Orthopedic resident so he has educated his kids at least . I am very glad for him to see that at least. Interestingly his daughter her husband my friend and his wife all caught COVID at the same time. . My friend did the best out of the 4 of them. Odd HMHO. Thanks for the well wishes.
    No problem. Is everyone doing okay now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That new person, Mina, made some posts a while back about how to accurately determine the number of deaths by researching "excess deaths."
    I think that's such a great method, since it doesn't rely on state officials to make judgment calls about whether or not to count something as a COVID death in a case where it may have been a complicating factor but not necessarily a determinative one. Also, because states have had VASTLY different rates of testing, states with higher testing rates were more likely to declare a given death a COVID death, which further skews data from one state to another (and from one time to another..... like a COVID death was less likely to be recognized in early 2020, before we had widespread testing, than today).

    With excess death data, none of that matters. It's just a question of counting bodies, regardless of cause of death, and then comparing the rate to the background rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    I think that's such a great method, since it doesn't rely on state officials to make judgment calls about whether or not to count something as a COVID death in a case where it may have been a complicating factor but not necessarily a determinative one. Also, because states have had VASTLY different rates of testing, states with higher testing rates were more likely to declare a given death a COVID death, which further skews data from one state to another (and from one time to another..... like a COVID death was less likely to be recognized in early 2020, before we had widespread testing, than today).

    With excess death data, none of that matters. It's just a question of counting bodies, regardless of cause of death, and then comparing the rate to the background rate.
    Good points. It also works for other nations as well, assuming of course that their background rate of death is accurate to begin with. Even if it's not, though, you still have some data showing that during the pandemic, the death rate rose by __% or ___ number of deaths above the average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Good points. It also works for other nations as well, assuming of course that their background rate of death is accurate to begin with. Even if it's not, though, you still have some data showing that during the pandemic, the death rate rose by __% or ___ number of deaths above the average.
    Exactly. With very poor nations, the data is too lousy to mean anything, since they were never counting deaths accurately, anyway. Like in central Africa, people can be born, live, and die out in rural villages without ever showing up in any official stats. But among the top few dozen countries, the governments do a good job tracking death counts, and so you can compare excess death rates during the pandemic.

    Click here:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...SA~ISR~BOL~ECU

    You can see the huge difference in cumulative excess death between, say, Peru (76%) and Greenland (-7%). The US is pretty bad, at 17%, which is worse than nearly any other rich country. But there are places within the US, like Massachusetts, that are in line with Western Europe... it's just that the train-wreck states, like Arizona, Mississippi, and Texas, really screw up the averages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Well, the COVID data is not a poll; it is actual data not based on someone's opinion of something. The fact that they dispute *that* is part of why they have no credibility with everyone else.
    Agreed but the fucking morons don't understand the difference. They still only believe what their leaders on Facebook and Twitter/Truth Social tell them.

    Note the kerfuffle over Trump's "reTruth" of a "civil war" comment. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...cklash-1708989

    No sane person believes the US will devolve into civil war, but as the WSE shooter in NY proved, there are nutjobs out there who will take it seriously and murder Americans. None of the chickenshits on JPP, of course. They're all spineless, nutless blowhards talking tough on the Internet. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    WTF is COVIC ? Must be a new one.
    Is that what they’re calling the monkey pox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    Exactly. With very poor nations, the data is too lousy to mean anything, since they were never counting deaths accurately, anyway. Like in central Africa, people can be born, live, and die out in rural villages without ever showing up in any official stats. But among the top few dozen countries, the governments do a good job tracking death counts, and so you can compare excess death rates during the pandemic.

    Click here:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...SA~ISR~BOL~ECU

    You can see the huge difference in cumulative excess death between, say, Peru (76%) and Greenland (-7%). The US is pretty bad, at 17%, which is worse than nearly any other rich country. But there are places within the US, like Massachusetts, that are in line with Western Europe... it's just that the train-wreck states, like Arizona, Mississippi, and Texas, really screw up the averages.
    It's fascinating that during the first year of the pandemic, RWers were insisting that non-COVID deaths were being reported as COVID, the numbers were greatly exaggerated (exc. of course in NYC lol), blah blah blah. But *now* they're insisting that not only are the numbers super accurate, most of the 1,000,000 dead Americans died since Biden became President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    It's fascinating that during the first year of the pandemic, RWers were insisting that non-COVID deaths were being reported as COVID, the numbers were greatly exaggerated (exc. of course in NYC lol), blah blah blah. But *now* they're insisting that not only are the numbers super accurate, most of the 1,000,000 dead Americans died since Biden became President.
    Yep. Intellectual consistency isn't their thing.

    It's true that things have remained bad, on the COVID front, on Biden's watch. But what is remarkable is how localized that's been, at least since Biden took office. Blue states (and even liberal areas within states whether red or blue), have done pretty well since Biden took office. It's red states (and conservative areas within states) that have been having a rough time of it, as conservatives have resisted the administration's efforts to get the pandemic under control.

    Put it this way, if you calculate excess death percent for each state/territory after Trump left office, through mid-April of this year (the last reliable data to be collected so far), there are 25 places with lower excess death percents than the nation as a whole and 17 of them are "blue" states/territories. In those liberal places, COVID has almost been a non-event since Biden took office. Like Massachusetts has an excess death level of only 2.34% in that period, which is within the normal year-to-year variation before COVID came along (even before the pandemic, states could be 3 points high or low in a given year). But at the other end of the spectrum, you've got die-hard right-wing Alaska, where it's 29.23%, which is almost ten times what could be explained by any normal variation. For hard-core conservative states like Texas, West Virginia, and Mississippi, the Biden era looks as bad or worse than the Trump era looked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    Yep. Intellectual consistency isn't their thing.

    It's true that things have remained bad, on the COVID front, on Biden's watch. But what is remarkable is how localized that's been, at least since Biden took office. Blue states (and even liberal areas within states whether red or blue), have done pretty well since Biden took office. It's red states (and conservative areas within states) that have been having a rough time of it, as conservatives have resisted the administration's efforts to get the pandemic under control.

    Put it this way, if you calculate excess death percent for each state/territory after Trump left office, through mid-April of this year (the last reliable data to be collected so far), there are 25 places with lower excess death percents than the nation as a whole and 17 of them are "blue" states/territories. In those liberal places, COVID has almost been a non-event since Biden took office. Like Massachusetts has an excess death level of only 2.34% in that period, which is within the normal year-to-year variation before COVID came along (even before the pandemic, states could be 3 points high or low in a given year). But at the other end of the spectrum, you've got die-hard right-wing Alaska, where it's 29.23%, which is almost ten times what could be explained by any normal variation. For hard-core conservative states like Texas, West Virginia, and Mississippi, the Biden era looks as bad or worse than the Trump era looked.
    Interesting, thanks. I'm surprised that your statistics haven't been challenged. How does Florida look, pre- and post-Biden?
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