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    Remember Mr. Bidenís promise, during his presidential campaign, to make Saudi Arabia ďa pariahĒ ó and not only because of the Khashoggi assassination? Saudi Arabia treats domestic dissidents harshly and continues to wage a destructive war in neighboring Yemen, though a tentative U.S.-backed cease-fire is currently in place. Mr. Biden began his term by making public U.S. intelligence confirming MBSís role in the Khashoggi case and refusing to deal directly with the crown prince. But Mr. Biden did not impose an asset freeze and U.S. travel ban on MBS, as he could and should have done. Furious nevertheless, MBS refused subsequent outreach from the president and snubbed U.S. requests to help alleviate rising oil prices by pumping more Saudi crude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Remember Mr. Bidenís promise, during his presidential campaign, to make Saudi Arabia ďa pariahĒ ó and not only because of the Khashoggi assassination? Saudi Arabia treats domestic dissidents harshly and continues to wage a destructive war in neighboring Yemen, though a tentative U.S.-backed cease-fire is currently in place. Mr. Biden began his term by making public U.S. intelligence confirming MBSís role in the Khashoggi case and refusing to deal directly with the crown prince. But Mr. Biden did not impose an asset freeze and U.S. travel ban on MBS, as he could and should have done. Furious nevertheless, MBS refused subsequent outreach from the president and snubbed U.S. requests to help alleviate rising oil prices by pumping more Saudi crude.

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    needless cacophony on Biden's part. he's not alone of course
    That and the Iran deal undermined the special relationship, and stymied expansion of the Abraham Accords

    Biden pays much too much attention to "authoritarian dictators" in terms of policy making

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post

    Biden pays much too much attention to "authoritarian dictators" in terms of policy making
    Whereas Trump kissed their asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Whereas Trump kissed their asses.
    Trump reacted to Obama, Biden reacts to Trump
    I'll go with FDR who first called it the special relationship

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Trump reacted to Obama, Biden reacts to Trump
    I'll go with FDR who first called it the special relationship
    I'll go with Saudi Arabia murdered Khashoggi and never paid the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I'll go with Saudi Arabia murdered Khashoggi and never paid the price.
    what difference does it make at this time? Using human rights as a policy metric is a fools game
    There is way too much at stake

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Trump reacted to Obama, Biden reacts to Trump
    I'll go with FDR who first called it the special relationship
    Prince Khalid bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is hardly a household name but should be notorious. As the oil-rich kingdom’s ambassador to Washington in the fall of 2018, he assured journalist and Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi he could safely collect some papers he needed at the Saudi Arabian Consulate in Istanbul, according to CIA analysis that has been reported in The Post. Khashoggi went in but never emerged; he was murdered by Saudi agents. The then-ambassador may not have known that Khashoggi would be killed. Wittingly or not, however, he subsequently falsely told various news outlets, The Post included, that the Saudi government had no idea where Khashoggi was. Khalid bin Salman denies that he told Khashoggi to go to Istanbul. His credibility in Washington badly damaged, he returned to Saudi Arabia in February 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    what difference does it make at this time? Using human rights as a policy metric is a fools game
    There is way too much at stake
    What is at stake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Remember Mr. Biden’s promise, during his presidential campaign, to make Saudi Arabia “a pariah” — and not only because of the Khashoggi assassination? Saudi Arabia treats domestic dissidents harshly and continues to wage a destructive war in neighboring Yemen, though a tentative U.S.-backed cease-fire is currently in place. Mr. Biden began his term by making public U.S. intelligence confirming MBS’s role in the Khashoggi case and refusing to deal directly with the crown prince. But Mr. Biden did not impose an asset freeze and U.S. travel ban on MBS, as he could and should have done. Furious nevertheless, MBS refused subsequent outreach from the president and snubbed U.S. requests to help alleviate rising oil prices by pumping more Saudi crude.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-crown-prince/
    Yep! Biden's a moron.

    He has proven it yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Yep! Biden's a moron.

    He has proven it yet again.
    You're a dope. Below average intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    What is at stake?
    geopolitics. regional alliances.oil
    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/1071972...-arabia-allies

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    geopolitics. regional alliances.oil
    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/1071972...-arabia-allies
    We don't need their oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    We don't need their oil.
    The United States is Saudi Arabia's second largest trading partner, and Saudi Arabia is one of the United States' largest trading partners in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia is the third leading source of imported oil for the United States, providing about half a million barrels per day of oil to the U.S. market.
    https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-saudi-arabia/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Whereas Trump kissed their asses.
    Correct. And trump colluded with S.Arabia by way of a faux 'threat' to pull back military defense unless S. Arabia cut oil production.

    trump viewed every foreign/domestic policy through one of two lenses:

    How can I personally benefit financially?

    How can this help me get re elected?

    He openly bragged about saving oil industry jobs when he pressured Mexico to cut production, or the U.S would.

    Not only does that not make sense, it didn't work at the voting booth.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    The United States is Saudi Arabia's second largest trading partner[/url]
    So?

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