Russia cuts gas supply to NATO applicant, Finland

[dukkha]

So unnecessary. A step closer to total war.

what did you expect from NATO expansion -even defacto into Ukraine?

[dukkha]

I can't believe Finland has a Warsaw nation on its eastern border. Encroachment!

no worries. Europe is now a hyper-militarized hostile camps
Gone are any chances for detente.

So we can fund all this CRAP and Russia links to China - what did any NATO expansion get us but more hostilities

[Minister of Truth]

no worries. Europe is now a hyper-militarized hostile camps
Gone are any chances for detente.

So we can fund all this CRAP and Russia links to China - what did any NATO expansion get us but more hostilities

Or just wait for Russia to collapse again. It worked in 1991.

[dukkha]

Or just wait for Russia to collapse again. It worked in 1991.

no. that was the USSR - Russia isn't going to collapse. it's joined the the hip with China

[moon]

I thought you said they had to choose between food and heat. Now you are saying they don't have either?

People don't freeze to death when it's 13C.

I didn't mention freezing, you did.
I didn't mention no choice either. You're annoying in your fabrications. Go away.

[moon]

Did anybody in Europe ever stop to think what might happen if a rabid dog like putin pulled a stunt like his little adventure in Ukraine? It’s not like he didn’t telegraph his punches with Georgia and Crimea. And it’s not like Trump didn’t nag NATO to increase their contributions and beef up their militaries. Did these people really really think vlad was gonna keep the tap open when he finally had his hissy fit?

It's NATO's stunt, not Putin's.

And I just find it hysterical that everyone jumped into those ridiculous Paris climate accords AND THEN ACTUALLY STARTED DISMANTLING THEIR ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE!!! All except the damn russians, that is. They got Europe hooked on their cheap shit and now they’re gonna charge the premium for it, and the currency will be money AND blood.

No- the Europe/Russia commercial interactions were going very well. Biden wanted that stopped. He's been threatening Europe over it for quite some time.

This entire shebang is NATO's war on Russia.

[moon]

I can't believe Finland has a Warsaw nation on its eastern border. Encroachment!

Very silly. Finland was neutral. Now it ain't- and nobody asked the Fins.

[moon]

what did you expect from NATO expansion -even defacto into Ukraine?

NATO is a self-fulfilling prophesy of war.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I didn't mention no choice either. You're annoying in your fabrications. Go away.

In the UK vast numbers of people are having to choose between ' heat or eat ' already- and they were not dependent upon Russian gas. .

It's kind of hard to choose if you have no choice.

[Minister of Truth]

no. that was the USSR - Russia isn't going to collapse. it's joined the the hip with China

They can go down together in financial ruin.

[Minister of Truth]

NATO is a self-fulfilling prophesy of war.

I notice that it triumphed over the Soviets...

[Walt]

no worries. Europe is now a hyper-militarized hostile camps

I really do not think you know what "hyper-militarized" is. I visited the USSR towards the end, when it was much less militarized. Russia has gotten even less militarized since then, but Russia is still far more militarized than anything in NATO.

Switzerland is oddly militarized. I cannot quite put that on the normal spectrum of militarized.

But nothing in Europe is "hyper-militarized".

Gone are any chances for detente.

There would normally need to be a ceasefire, then a peace agreement, and finally much later we could start working on detente. 20 years later, Nixon could have detente with China, but Eisenhower could only get a ceasefire with China.

[Walt]

no. that was the USSR - Russia isn't going to collapse. it's joined the the hip with China

Russia already semi-collapsed back when the defaulted on their debt in 1998. This could be worse. It is looking like they will have to abandon cities again. Can you imagine America having to evacuate Minneapolis for the Winter, because we could not afford to keep the heat on? Even during the Great Depression, nothing like that would have been considered.

China is saying a lot of positive things about Russia now, but they are also actively planning for possible war with Russia.

[Walt]

Do you know the number of food banks already operating in England ?

I am sure there are a few, but in general fewer than most Americans would expect. The UK has a strong welfare system that has the government taking care of the poorer people.

[dukkha]

China is saying a lot of positive things about Russia now, but they are also actively planning for possible war with Russia.

OMFG
They have war-gammed under a unified military command

Vostok-2018: Another Sign of Strengthening Russia-China Ties
Not an Alliance, but Defense Cooperation Is Growing
https://www.swp-berlin.org/en/public...sia-china-ties