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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringfellow Hawk View Post
    401k returns, 52.3% with the pandemic under Trump, -19% under Biden

    Wages are better under Republicans as inflation is not a higher percentage
    Indeed.


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    Since the economy is by far the most important issue to Americans, this is the issue that will drive the elections in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    it's not your place to consider how all money is used.
    It's the place of all citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    White Supremacist Extremists. It's what many far Right JPP members claim to be...if they can only leave their retirement facilities to do something about it. LOL

    https://www.dhs.gov/publication/refe...ist-extremists
    US Violent White Supremacist Extremists
    Violent White Supremacist Extremists (WSE) are defined as individuals who seek, wholly or in part, through unlawful acts of force or violence, to support their belief in the intellectual and moral superiority of the white race over other races. The mere advocacy of political or social positions, political activism, use of strong rhetoric, or generalized philosophic embrace of violent tactics may be constitutionally protected activities.
    nobody claims to be that.

    you accuse everyone of that, because you're a lying fucktard of questionable character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    now he's your favorite!
    Ha, no. He's still responsible for a bogus war and the deaths of 4437 Americans and countless Iraqis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

    Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

    But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

    My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

    Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

    Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

    So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

    https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

    The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

    So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?
    The rich people demographic is on the plus side, like always. They do terrifically on that one.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    Have you seen Ragin Cajun James Carville trying to comprehend what happened to his party?

    its hilarious.
    Yes, he is worth the price of admission...trying to form an audible response to the pretzel that he creates himself...too funny...and he is the sage of the Democrat Party.

    Similar to the OP (with an Ivy League education) of course. Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Carter to Biden is a very long time.
    Carter and inflation was the reason for that. For 12 years after Carter nobody wanted to vote for a Democrat.

    Biden makes him look like a piker, so I'd hazard a guess people won't want another Democrat for 20 years after his disastrous presidency.

    Might even have a new party or two formed.

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    How many people with an "Ivy League" education would waste all day on an obscure political forum?

    That's a rhetorical interrogatory...no need for an answer.

    How many people with an "Ivy League" degree would make an egregious grammatical error?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Her intentional obtuseness to the present economic condition is not an indicator of an Ivy League education.

    She obfuscates well.
    On purpose. Almost like a professional Spin Doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    CNN is partisan, but they're nothing like Fox. They don't run from the truth when it's obvious.
    Where's their Hunter Biden laptop coverage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    nobody claims to be that.

    you accuse everyone of that, because you're a lying fucktard of questionable character.
    You forgot delusional..

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    Spin this:

    Dow down 1.4%-today
    Nasdaq down 2.36%-today

    Year top date-Dow-down 15%

    The S&P is at a "bear market"

    Nasdaq-year to date-down 29%

    S&P- down 20% year to date
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    The rich people demographic is on the plus side, like always. They do terrifically on that one.
    That's an interesting point. Have Republican presidents been better for rich people than Democratic presidents? You'd think so, given the way the GOP effectively shapes policy with almost no purpose beyond enriching the rich. But you might be surprised. See here:

    https://www.census.gov/data/tables/t...ouseholds.html

    Looking at the inflation-adjusted column, since 1967, here's what incomes did at the top 5% level, in terms of annualized growth rates:

    Trump: +3.03%
    Clinton: +2.51%
    Reagan: +2.19%
    Nixon: +1.89%
    Obama: +1.43%
    Carter: +1.14%
    LBJ: +0.53%
    Ford: -0.03%
    Bush2: -0.11%
    Bush1: -0.15%

    So, the rich only lost ground three times.... and each time was during a Republican presidency. That makes it an interesting question why the rich like the Republicans so much more. My theory is that it's about relative performance. The rich care more about the gap between them and the rest than they do about their own absolute material prosperity.

    Think, for example, of a medieval lord. In absolute terms, the guy lived a dirt-poor life compared to even middle class people today. He sweated like a pig in summer, because there was no such thing as air conditioning. His winters were a nightmare in a dark and drafty castle. He had such limited dietary possibilities that getting his hands on some cinnamon would have been a decadent luxury. The healthcare was so shoddy he'd likely be an old man by the time he was in his 40's, if he managed to live that long. Yet, relative to the unwashed masses who lived in his fiefdom, he was like a god among men. He could treat them like garbage and they'd be afraid to let a moment of defiance flicker through their mask of submissive adoration. In that sense, he had a level of wealth that Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk can only dream of.

    I think that explains why the rich prefer Republican policy, even if they arguably do better under Democrats. It's not enough to succeed -- they must see others fail to be happy. And during Democratic eras, the poor and middle class tend to do well. That's not a good thing if you're looking to surround yourself with peons who will bow and scrape to you. Democrats make the little people too uppity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    How many people with an "Ivy League" education would waste all day on an obscure political forum?
    Quite a few. Is this the first you've met?

    How many people with an "Ivy League" degree would make an egregious grammatical error?
    I'd say just about 100%. Who hasn't made one, at some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusional Uncle View Post
    White Supremacist Extremists. LOL!

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