Is there any measurable way the country does better with Republican presidents?

[archives]

Biden inflation the highest since Jimmy Carter. Both Democrats

Got to love these guys, "Mina" starts what could be an interesting thread, given it was a bit partisan, but offered room for any right leaning poster to make a case, and instead the thread turns into Trump did this, Biden did that

And, seeing the thread is blown, this inflation was going to happen no matter who was President, it is demand push coming out of Covid, it was inevitable

[T. A. Gardner]

In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?

McNamara fallacy.

[ExpressLane]

Got to love these guys, "Mina" starts what could be an interesting thread, given it was a bit partisan, but offered room for any right leaning poster to make a case, and instead the thread turns into Trump did this, Biden did that

And, seeing the thread is blowThat creats inflation. n, this inflation was going to happen no matter who was President, it is demand push coming out of Covid, it was inevitable

The buck lands on the President's desk. If Biden couldn't handle the job he shouldn't have ran for the job. Biden printed too much money (government spending) and now we have too much money chasing too few products. That creates inflation.

[Doc Dutch]

In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

LBJ, Carter. Clinton was a fluke but so was Trump...both adulterous Presidents who were impeached. Is there a connection?

FWIW, Presidents can't wave a wand and fix the economy. All they can do is talk about it.

[Doc Dutch]

The buck lands on the President's desk. If Biden couldn't handle the job he shouldn't have ran for the job. Biden printed too much money (government spending) and now we have too much money chasing too few products. That creates inflation.

Same for Bush and Trump. Iraq and COVID. Both failed their duties.

[MAGA MAN]

Energy independence for the first time in, what, 70 years? Peace in the Mideast. Record low unemployment rates along all sectors and groups, especially minorities. Massive decreases in regulation. Manufacturing moving back to the US.

[ExpressLane]

Energy independence for the first time in, what, 70 years? Peace in the Mideast. Record low unemployment rates along all sectors and groups, especially minorities. Massive decreases in regulation. Manufacturing moving back to the US.

And raise the income for lower income wage earners.

[Hawkeye10]

In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?

You are either a liar or really stupid, the parties are completely new now, they are not anything like they were a few years ago. D's are now the party of the Victim Culture Cult, of the WOKE, of power.....the R's are everybody else.

The entire premise of this tread is at best idiotic.

Perhaps nefarious.

[PostmodernProphet]

yes.........United States minus 1 demmycrat > United States plus 1 demmycrat......

[ThatOwlWoman]

impeachment without conviction is meaningless from the partisan house.
and no he didnt "lead" 1.6

Unless, of course, it's Clinton and something to do with a blue dress.

[BartenderElite]

well once Clinton ralized that his original platform was going nowhere and he flipped to doing whatever Noot said, he got ppular ands productive.

So, your take is that we clearly do better under Democrats - though once in awhile, it's because they listen to Republicans. Who fail.

[BartenderElite]

Biden inflation the highest since Jimmy Carter. Both Democrats

Let me know the next time a Democrat leaves office w/ the economy worse off than when they started. Like the last 3 Republicans have.

[ExpressLane]

Let me know the next time a Democrat leaves office w/ the economy worse off than when they started. Like the last 3 Republicans have.

The GDP declined from the Bush to the Obama administration.

George W. Bush (R): 2.2%

Barack Obama (D): 1.62%

[dukkha]

Trump wasn't responsible for those trends, he inherited an economy on the rise, majority of economic indicators were pointing in the upward direction before he took office, that would have happened coming out of the Great Recession regardless of who was President, Trump's only accomplishment was not screwing it up

he inherited a lowering unemployment -
but getting it even lower isn't a guarantee.

The Obama recovery was for the "1%"s - remember them?
It's because the wage gains for lower and middle income lagged behind higher percentile earners.

see the rest of his accomplishments. Presidents get credit or blame for their record
I wish he was still around "not screwing up" unlike this bozo biden

[BartenderElite]

The GDP declined from the Bush to the Obama administration.

George W. Bush (R): 2.2%

Barack Obama (D): 1.62%

LOL

I wonder how long you had to search for that cherrypick.

Bush CRASHED THE ECONOMY. Obama led the longest recovery in decades.

Not even a good try.