Can there be a proof of God?

[Melchizedek = Michael]

The history of the Jews is proof!
But it's a forest ,tree situation!
Some people can't handle the truth.

[Cypress]

If there were a proof of God, then you would no longer truly have free will.

With God's existence proved, you either comply with God's commandments--God is usually considered omnipotent--or you are punished accordingly. For example, if God is proven and has stated "Obey my commandments or I will strike you dead..." then you really don't get much choice--other than one time--to disobey.

That is really bad theology.
According to mainstream Christian theology going all the way back to Augustine, free will was given to humans by God. Supposedly, free will is why there is sin and corruption in the world, because humans are free to choose.

[BidenPresident]

The history of the Jews is proof!
But it's a forest ,tree situation!
Some people can't handle the truth.

No idea what you're talking about.

[Jarod]

We know we exist. That does need proof.

To me, the existence of a soul, something I feel inside me, is God.

[BidenPresident]

That is really bad theology.
According to mainstream Christian theology going all the way back to Augustine, free will was given to humans by God. Supposedly, free will is why there is sin and corruption in the world, because humans are free to choose.

Free will is bad theology.

[BidenPresident]

To me, the existence of a soul, something I feel inside me, is God.

Okay, no proof of God. No problem with you believing.

[Jarod]

Okay, no proof of God. No problem with you believing.

If something I feel is not proof to you, thats ok, but it is to me. If you feel pain, is that proof that you feel pain?

[BidenPresident]

If something I feel is not proof to you, thats ok, but it is to me. If you feel pain, is that proof that you feel pain?

If you have pain it does not prove to me that you have pain.

[Cypress]

People usually conflate the word proof with the word evidence.

Outside of the axioms of Euclidean geometry, nothing in human experience is proven. And even Euclidean proofs are open to debate.

Science doesn't prove anything. Science is probabalistic, and based on empircal evidence. The Big Bang has not been proven, nor has the Mendelian synthesis on evolution. We can have extremely high confidence in scientific theories, but they are always provisional and subject to modification or change.


There is no empircal evidence of God, and no one of any importance has even tried to offer a deductive proof of God since Descartes in the 17th century.

[Jarod]

If you have pain it does not prove to me that you have pain.

Ok, but it proves it to me.

[BidenPresident]

Ok, but it proves it to me.

Yes.

[Jarod]

Yes.

If you see that my arm is crushed and bleeding, you have evidence I am very likely in pain.

[BidenPresident]

If you see that my arm is crushed and bleeding, you have evidence I am very likely in pain.

Infer it, maybe. But what is your point?

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Infer it, maybe. But what is your point?

You obviously won't believe in God no matter what because you don't want to.

[Doc Dutch]

If you have pain it does not prove to me that you have pain.

What an interesting confession. A complete lack of empathy with strong does of Solipsism. You believe only you exist, only your pain matters.

No one can change your mind, only you can do so.