Russia shut out permanently from world energy markets

[Hawkeye10]

The hilarious part is Ukraine stands to lose a shitload of "transit fees" -they suck royalties off of Russian pipelines
No worries.. we'll just send them more of our money. We've adopted a corrupt, war torn country
in our haste to war against Russia

Its just like Iraq, these fucks have learned nothing, they STILL do not understand the rest of the world, how it works.

This is going to hurt.

[anatta]

Its just like Iraq, these fucks have learned nothing, they STILL do not understand the rest of the world, how it works.

Ukraine and Russia are really natural cultural trade partners -not the western European countries
But the USA coudn't have THAT, and we played our stupid Cold War 2.0 games until Putin was forced
to defend upon NATO encroachment of his underbelly.

Putin gets more NATO expansion for his troubles
we get a military and strategic bond between Russia and China that we misplayed into
Ukraine loses "transit fees" and gets pulverized
Western Europe gets more expensive energy sources

a 100% FUBAR of U.S. making -
oh and dont forget the fertilizer shortage because of Russian boycott
everybody loses

[Hawkeye10]

Ukraine and Russia are really natural cultural trade partners -not the western European countries
But the USA coudn't have THAT, and we played our stupid Cold War 2.0 games until Putin was forced
to defend upon NATO encroachment of his underbelly.

Putin gets more NATO expansion for his troubles
we get a military and strategic bond between Russia and China that we misplayed into
Ukraine loses "transit fees" and gets pulverized
Western Europe gets more expensive energy sources

a 100% FUBAR of U.S. making -
oh and dont forget the fertilizer shortage because of Russian boycott
everybody loses

Massive upheaval in the West, as it is already collapsing.

God Help Us.

[Cypress]

American liquefied national gas terminals are maxed out, and building new ones will take years.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/euro...ng-for-energy/
Europe needs alternatives to Russian gas today, amid fears that Moscow could stop exports completely.
Its scramble to find additional supplies is upending a rapidly expanding LNG market and driving prices on the global market higher.
Asia has been the top destination for American LNG cargoes since the United States began shipments in 2016. South Korea has accounted for 14.4 percent of U.S. LNG exports since that time, followed by Japan (10.5 percent) and China (8.7 percent), according to Energy Department figures.

But recent months have seen dramatic changes in LNG flows. Gas shipments to China, Japan and Korea were down 11 percent, 14 percent and 7 percent, respectively, in the first quarter compared with the same time last year, said Valery Chow, an analyst who tracks the industry at Wood Mackenzie.
~~

Basically if Europe wants more from Australia and the USA ( problematic) more of Russian LNG will go to Asia

Building and upgrading pipeline capacity takes many years, and even after upgrading capacity, Russian exports of gas to China will only replace about half of European demand

Beijing and Moscow eye pipeline capacity equal to half European demand

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Ene...n-Quad-members

[dukkha]

Building and upgrading pipeline capacity takes many years, and even after upgrading capacity, Russian exports of gas to China will only replace about half of European demand

Putin gets more NATO expansion for his troubles
we get a military and strategic bond between Russia and China that we misplayed into
Ukraine loses "transit fees" and gets pulverized
Western Europe gets more expensive energy sources as supplies are imported by tanker instead of pipeleine
Great Northern Sea is a long term soluton
more pipelines under construction between Russia and China'
If Australia shifts to Europe, more LNG tankers even if is goes around the Horn from Russia

It's a yuge reshuffling of the deck- everyone loses
We send more money to Ukraine to make up for transit fee loses

[Cypress]

Putin gets more NATO expansion for his troubles
we get a military and strategic bond between Russia and China that we misplayed into
Ukraine loses "transit fees" and gets pulverized
Western Europe gets more expensive energy sources as supplies are imported by tanker instead of pipeleine
Great Northern Sea is a long term soluton
more pipelines under construction between Russia and China'
If Australia shifts to Europe, more LNG tankers even if is goes around the Horn from Russia

It's a yuge reshuffling of the deck- everyone loses
We send more money to Ukraine to make up for transit fee loses

China will politely play along with Vlad when it suits their own interests, but they are not going to risk their economic ties to North America, Europe, Australia.

Biden, NATO, EU, and our Pacific-Asian allies are going to make Putin's Russia a politically and economically isolated Rogue State, a pariah that won't be able to do business with the West for decades, or at least as long as Vlad is around.

I don't take pleasure in saying that. The actions of the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin are going to hurt the interests and welfare of innocent people in Russia who don't deserve it..

[dukkha]

China will politely play along with Vlad when it suits their own interests, but they are not going to risk their economic ties to North America, Europe, Australia.

Biden, NATO, EU, and our Pacific-Asian allies are going to make Putin's Russia a politically and economically isolated Rogue State, a pariah that won't be able to do business with the West for decades, or at least as long as Vlad is around.

I don't take pleasure in saying that. The actions of the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin are going to hurt the interests and welfare of innocent people in Russia who don't deserve it..

Russia has been sanctioned by the west so badlly it doesn't have any economic ties except energy
China will buy all it can etc
By shoving Russia into the Sino orbit and further embargoing Russian extractives
just makes China and Russia a super state against us
Europe only has NATO to worry about -Europe isn't going to help us in the Pacific
we war aganst Russia makes us weaker financially, and some of our advanced weaponry is low inventory

Europe doesnt GAF about Chinese hegemony -bu we are supposd to GAF about a Ukraine Russia war that has absolutely nothing in our strategic interest If Russia swallowed Ukraine it wouldn't matter to the USA

[Cypress]

Russia has been sanctioned by the west so badlly it doesn't have any economic ties except energy
China will buy all it can etc
By shoving Russia into the Sino orbit and further embargoing Russian extractives
just makes China and Russia a super state against us
Europe only has NATO to worry about -Europe isn't going to help us in the Pacific
we war aganst Russia makes us weaker financially, and some of our advanced weaponry is low inventory

Europe doesnt GAF about Chinese hegemony -bu we are supposd to GAF about a Ukraine Russia war that has absolutely nothing in our strategic interest If Russia swallowed Ukraine it wouldn't matter to the USA

I understand that after years of trumpeting the glory of Vladimir Putin, this is hard for you to accept.

Putin has made a strategic blunder of the first order, and Biden and allies have boxed him in.

This is the second century in a row Russia has taken the path to disaster because hubris led them to wage war on a smaller foe they were overconfident they could easily dispatch.


The Russo-Japanese War and the Russo-Ukrainian war were historic miscalculations that will have detrimental repercussions that echo for decades

[Phantasmal]

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Russia will likely be shut out permanently from global energy markets, top oil execs say

Top execs from Chevron and Woodside Petroleum predicted Russia will be cut off from global energy markets.

Once the EU weans off Russian supplies, Moscow is unlikely to be able to participate again, they said.

"The move has not been an energy move, it's been a social move as people have recognized the destructive nature of the conflict."

The Europeans post-World War II thought there would never be war on European soil again," she said. "I think what has happened is so shocking for them that I think they will not be lulled into complacency.

The comments come as the EU edges closer to a phased-in embargo of Russian oil, which the US has already banned. European countries are also looking to reduce their reliance on Russian natural gas by sourcing it from elsewhere.

Europe isn't the only market that can turn to alternatives to Russian energy. Liquefied natural gas producers in Australia, O'Neill added, can help fill demand in Asia once Russia is eventually out of the trade loop.

The world won't allow Russia to return to global markets unless President Putin has a "change of heart," which is unlikely, according to Kory Judd, director of operations for Chevron's Australian business.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance...125842840.html

Putin’s grand scheme has failed.

[Phantasmal]

The geographic location of Russia's gas resources make it exceedingly difficult to pipe it across the Eurasian landmass to get to Chinese markets. Russia's gas transportation infrastructure is almost entirely constructed to serve Europe.

It will take years to build pipelines to those two countries.

[Cypress]

It will take years to build pipelines to those two countries.

A monumental engineering feat and even then the capacity to pipe gas to China will only replace about half of the European market

Compounding matters, is putting all your eggs in one basket. It's a terrible business decision to only have one major customer (China) to buy your product, as opposed to being diversified. China is going to do what's in China's best interest, and those interests may change over the years.

[moon]

Destroying economic ties between the EU and Russia was ' Biden's ' intent from the outset.
What he didn't take into account was the hardship that would be inflicted upon the EU and the blowback that will manifest once the Europeans become informed as to whose fault this war really is.

[Matt Dillon]

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Russia will likely be shut out permanently from global energy markets, top oil execs say

Top execs from Chevron and Woodside Petroleum predicted Russia will be cut off from global energy markets.

Once the EU weans off Russian supplies, Moscow is unlikely to be able to participate again, they said.

"The move has not been an energy move, it's been a social move as people have recognized the destructive nature of the conflict."

The Europeans post-World War II thought there would never be war on European soil again," she said. "I think what has happened is so shocking for them that I think they will not be lulled into complacency.

The comments come as the EU edges closer to a phased-in embargo of Russian oil, which the US has already banned. European countries are also looking to reduce their reliance on Russian natural gas by sourcing it from elsewhere.

Europe isn't the only market that can turn to alternatives to Russian energy. Liquefied natural gas producers in Australia, O'Neill added, can help fill demand in Asia once Russia is eventually out of the trade loop.

The world won't allow Russia to return to global markets unless President Putin has a "change of heart," which is unlikely, according to Kory Judd, director of operations for Chevron's Australian business.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance...125842840.html

Too bad they couldn't source natural gas from the US because Biden cut production.

[Matt Dillon]

I had a brainfart about this the other day: What if China is goading this thing along in order to get a greater hold on Russia?

[Matt Dillon]

Destroying economic ties between the EU and Russia was ' Biden's ' intent from the outset.
What he didn't take into account was the hardship that would be inflicted upon the EU and the blowback that will manifest once the Europeans become informed as to whose fault this war really is.