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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    The only doomsday curse is when tRump was lawlessly hacked in there with the gutter help of ant-American Fox type media conspires of the gutter, dumbass voters who sold their hides to tRump after he called them all stupid, uneducated and easy to manipulate to their face and with a smirk and were not the majority. This includes repukes facilitating the hacking of this tyrant tRump that caused the COVID doom of millions of human beings on Earth. Its time to consider the blue wave effect against the repuke enemy from within and tRump and his gutter mob too who are a rancid and diseased liability on the integrity of humanity and its soul:

    5 Ways the Trump Administration’s Policy Failures Compounded the Coronavirus-Induced Economic Crisis
    Last week, the total coronavirus death toll in the United States surpassed 100,000—a grim milestone in a battle that the Trump administration was not adequately prepared to fight. The United States now accounts for more than a quarter of the world’s COVID-19 deaths despite only accounting for roughly 4 percent of its population. The Trump administration’s failed public health response is mirrored by its failure to respond to the economic crisis, which has led to an economic fallout that sets the United States apart from other high-income nations.

    With some 37.6 million Americans filing for unemployment insurance since the beginning of March and the official unemployment rate reaching 14.7 percent in April—a level not seen since the Great Depression—the American economy is in a disastrous state, with repercussions expected for years to come. The level of economic and public health pain that Americans are now experiencing, however, was not inevitable, but rather the consequence of a series of policy failures that started well before the coronavirus outbreak. The Trump administration’s past actions weakened the United States’ ability to respond to the pandemic, and its current actions continue to exacerbate the dual public health and economic crises. Although Congress was able to pass a series of stimulus measures that have blunted the economic pain for families, this relief happened in spite of the Trump administration, not because of it.

    The weakness of the Trump administration’s economic response to the coronavirus crisis—much like the failure of its public health response—can be seen in comparison with the United States’ international peers. As demonstrated by the experiences of peer nations, a rapid and coordinated public health response could have contained the pandemic more effectively and reduced the mounting economic losses. Instead, it seems as though the United States is getting the worst of both: the highest death toll of any country and what will likely be the sharpest economic contraction in American history."

    https://www.americanprogress.org/art...onomic-crisis/
    It was Democrats that shut down the economy, not Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The advanced nations of the world took action after 1970 to ensure those predictions didn't come true.

    Almost all of the landmark environmental legislation in the USA was passed after 1970, and collectively they either averted disaster, or they made substantial improvements to environmental conditions.
    ...such as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Not at all. I just do other stuff once in awhile. You know - living an actual life stuff.

    Population is definitely a huge issue, as are our unsustainable practices w/ energy & development.

    We need to start thinking in terms of sustainability. We're so far from that now.
    People are not a liability. They are an asset.

    More people means more folks building stuff, innovating new ideas, solving problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    The link between cloud formation and cosmic rays is well established
    Reference?
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    but the magnitude of the forcing has been poorly understood.
    Reference?
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    Indeed the IPCC and CMIP6 climate models choose to ignore the effect completely.
    Random number generators are meaningless.
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    Dr. Jasper Kirkby has been doing groundbreaking work as well at CERN to understand the mechanisms at work.
    Irrelevant, since random number generators are meaningless. They are not data.
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    There have been a flurry of recently published studies on radiative forcing and its variation due to cloud changes.
    Science isn't studies. There is no such thing as 'radiative forcing'. Buzzword fallacies.
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    The latest is a new study published in the journal Nature.
    Meh. Science is not a magazine or a journal.
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    Climate scientists
    No such branch of science.
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    Dr. Henrik Svensmark and colleagues have found that cosmic rays, or variations in ionization,
    Cosmic rays are not variations of ionization.
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    are closely related to the formation of aerosols and clouds,
    Nope. Clouds form simply by convection.
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    and that “low-liquid clouds
    All clouds are liquid water or ice.
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    are mainly responsible for the change in net radiative forcing.”
    No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.
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    The results are groundbreaking:
    Buzzwords aren't groundbreaking.
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    The connection between cosmic rays, clouds and radiation budget is reaffirmed.
    Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
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    The paper’s abstract:

    Atmospheric ionization produced by cosmic rays has been suspected to influence aerosols and clouds,
    Reference?
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    but its actual importance has been questioned.
    Reference?
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    If changes in atmospheric ionization have a substantial impact on clouds, one would expect to observe significant responses in Earth’s energy budget.
    Whataboutism. Earth doesn't have a budget of any kind. ALL the energy absorbed by Earth is radiated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Here it is shown that the average of the five strongest week-long decreases in atmospheric ionization coincides with changes in the average net radiative balance of 1.7 W/m2 (median value: 1.2 W/m2) using CERES satellite observations.
    Manufactured data. Random numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
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    Simultaneous satellite observations of clouds show that these variations are mainly caused by changes in the short-wave radiation of low liquid clouds
    There is no 'short wave radiation' of clouds. Clouds are liquid water or ice.
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    along with small changes in the long-wave radiation,
    There is no 'long wave radiation' from a cloud.
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    and are almost exclusively located over the pristine areas of the oceans.
    Clouds form there because of convection over a moist area (the ocean).
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    These observed radiation and cloud changes are consistent with a link in which atmospheric ionization modulates aerosol’s formation and growth,
    Buzzword fallacy.
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    which survive to cloud condensation nuclei
    Radiation is not nuclei. Clouds do not need nuclei to condense around.
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    and ultimately affect cloud formation
    It can't.
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    and thereby temporarily the radiative balance of Earth.”
    There is no such thing as a 'radiative balance' of Earth. You are discarding the Stefan-Boltzmann law again.
    Junk science. If I were to grade this paper, I would flunk it.
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    is it any wonder nobody takes science seriously ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    While we are on the "doomsday" predictions, lets look at what Republicans Sean would never show that Republicans predicted would happen if Obama was ever elected:

    Republican presidential hopeful Michelle Bachman said that Obama would be responsible for “punishing tax rates,

    He was. Trump reversed these.
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    redistribution of wealth,
    He was.
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    socialized medicine,
    He was. Fortunately, this failed.
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    inputting censorship in the form of the un-Fairness Doctrine
    He did. Now his sidekick, Biden has created the Ministry of Truth.
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    and taking away the secret ballot from the worker.”
    He did. So did his sidekick Biden.
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    Republican candidate John McCain, in this video, claimed that Obama would change both the American flag and the national anthem.
    He tried. He didn't get away with it.
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    Fox News speculated that Obama would forfeit the Gulf War and start a new one, and that race relations would transform “from a thorny issue to an explosive one.”
    It did.
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    Right-wing think tank American Enterprise Institute was sure that “the Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower,”
    It was correct.
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    Rick Santorum warned that freedom of religion would be under attack
    It is.
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    Chuck Norris claimed America would face “1,000 years of darkness.”
    Still counting.
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    And if you really want to ping pong, we could fill this forum with Trump's predictions that were either stupid or flat out lies from the jump
    ...such as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    is it any wonder nobody takes science seriously ?
    The Church of Global Warming isn't science. It's a religion.

    Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all. It has no religion. It has no politics. It is not any institution. It has no method or procedure. It does not use consensus. It does not use supporting evidence. It is not data. It is not an observation that produces data. It is not an experiment. It is not some guy in a white lab coat.

    It is not even people at all.

    It is just a set of falsifiable theories.

    Among the theories ignored by the Church of Global Warming are the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. No gas or vapor has the capability of decreasing entropy. You cannot trap light. You cannot trap heat. You cannot trap thermal energy, there is always heat. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

    Yes, I take science seriously. I am, after all, among other things, a scientist. I am also an engineer and use these theories regularly.
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    [QUOTE=Into the Night;5106698]It's not possible. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't make energy out of nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
    Here are some facts few people know:

    Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
    The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
    Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
    Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
    The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

    The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
    Brush mostly. These are brush fires. The other reasons include:
    * more arsonists
    * more careless people around ignition sources
    * failure to clear away brush


    I assume you mean carbon dioxide? Carbon is not carbon dioxide. Otherwise True.

    It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. The Netherlands drained lands to farm that were always underwater before. They are not famous just for their windmills, but also for their dike system.

    Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn. Wood is certainly less efficient than gasoline or natural gas though. It is often burned in a sooty manner, leaving particulates in the air.

    What pandemic?

    It is still a belief in the Church of Global Warming. It is still ignoring the laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

    Science isn't a study or a research.

    Science is not a government agency.

    Fossils aren't used as fuel.

    At least you are becoming more mellow in your religion.

    Ain't censorship grand?

    Ain't censorship grand?

    Personally, I think censorship stinks, particularly when it's done by the government.

    You seem to be experiencing the same kind of regret the founder of Greenpeace did, when he saw the institution he created get taken over by radicals.

    Science is not a government agency or any institution. It is not a magazine, journal, paper, website, or book.

    This is the desire of such tyrants...to keep the populace poor and too illiterate to revolt.

    Not really new thinking. The belief that the Earth is somehow warming is still there, despite that it's not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. The belief that a Magick Holy Gas can somehow create energy out of nothing is still there as well. The Church of Global Warming's ties to the Church of Karl Marx are still there as well.

    The only thing that's different at all is that some are realizing people are rejecting The Message and a new way of presenting the scam is going to have to be thought up.
    You've said the same fucking thing umpteen times, I've also said you need to do a thermodynamics 101 course and some basic physics and chemistry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Reference?

    Reference?

    Random number generators are meaningless.

    Irrelevant, since random number generators are meaningless. They are not data.

    Science isn't studies. There is no such thing as 'radiative forcing'. Buzzword fallacies.

    Meh. Science is not a magazine or a journal.

    No such branch of science.

    Cosmic rays are not variations of ionization.

    Nope. Clouds form simply by convection.

    All clouds are liquid water or ice.

    No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.

    Buzzwords aren't groundbreaking.

    Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

    Reference?

    Reference?

    Whataboutism. Earth doesn't have a budget of any kind. ALL the energy absorbed by Earth is radiated.

    Manufactured data. Random numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.

    There is no 'short wave radiation' of clouds. Clouds are liquid water or ice.

    There is no 'long wave radiation' from a cloud.

    Clouds form there because of convection over a moist area (the ocean).

    Buzzword fallacy.

    Radiation is not nuclei. Clouds do not need nuclei to condense around.

    It can't.

    There is no such thing as a 'radiative balance' of Earth. You are discarding the Stefan-Boltzmann law again.

    Junk science. If I were to grade this paper, I would flunk it.

    Ignorant twat, if you haven't heard of the CLOUD experiment at CERN then that's your fault not mine!

    CERN’s colossal complex of accelerators is in the midst of a two-year shutdown for upgrade work. But that doesn’t mean all experiments at the Laboratory have ceased to operate. The CLOUD experiment, for example, has just started a data run that will last until the end of November.

    The CLOUD experiment studies how ions produced by high-energy particles called cosmic rays affect aerosol particles, clouds and the climate. It uses a special cloud chamber and a beam of particles from the Proton Synchrotron to provide an artificial source of cosmic rays. For this run, however, the cosmic rays are instead natural high-energy particles from cosmic objects such as exploding stars.

    “Cosmic rays, whether natural or artificial, leave a trail of ions in the chamber,” explains CLOUD spokesperson Jasper Kirkby, “but the Proton Synchrotron provides cosmic rays that can be adjusted over the full range of ionisation rates occurring in the troposphere, which comprises the lowest ten kilometres of the atmosphere. That said, we can also make progress with the steady flux of natural cosmic rays that make it into our chamber, and this is what we’re doing now.”

    In its 10 years of operation, CLOUD has made several important discoveries on the vapours that form aerosol particles in the atmosphere and can seed clouds. Although most aerosol particle formation requires sulphuric acid, CLOUD has shown that aerosols can form purely from biogenic vapours emitted by trees, and that their formation rate is enhanced by cosmic rays by up to a factor 100.

    Most of CLOUD’s data runs are aerosol runs, in which aerosols form and grow inside the chamber under simulated conditions of sunlight and cosmic-ray ionisation. The run that has just started is of the “CLOUDy” type, which studies the ice- and liquid-cloud-seeding properties of various aerosol species grown in the chamber, and direct effects of cosmic-ray ionisation on clouds.

    The present run uses the most comprehensive array of instruments ever assembled for CLOUDy experiments, including several instruments dedicated to measuring the ice- and liquid-cloud-seeding properties of aerosols over the full range of tropospheric temperatures. In addition, the CERN CLOUD team has built a novel generator of electrically charged cloud seeds to investigate the effects of charged aerosols on cloud formation and dynamics.

    “Direct effects of cosmic-ray ionisation on the formation of fair-weather clouds are highly speculative and almost completely unexplored experimentally,” says Kirkby. “So this run could be the most boring we’ve ever done – or the most exciting! We won’t know until we try, but by the end of the CLOUD experiment, we want to be able to answer definitively whether cosmic rays affect clouds and the climate, and not leave any stone unturned.”

    https://home.cern/news/news/experime...ic-rays-clouds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    is it any wonder nobody takes science seriously ?
    Wow.

    Yeah - it's much better to go w/ hunches & gut feelings & stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Wow.

    Yeah - it's much better to go w/ hunches & gut feelings & stuff like that.
    Well that's what you do most of the time, when you're not listening to Jim and Jack of course.

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    CP Snow was talking about people like ITN.

    C.P. Snow’s discussion in 1959 of the two cultures suggests why it is the educated elite that is most vulnerable to the absurd narrative. Snow was an English physicist, novelist, government advisor.

    Here is his description of the non-scientific educated elite.

    “A good many times I have been present at gatherings of people who, by the standards of the traditional culture, are thought highly educated and who have with considerable gusto been expressing their incredulity at the illiteracy of scientists.

    Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The response was cold: it was also negative. Yet I was asking something which is the scientific equivalent of: Have you read a work of Shakespeare’s?

    I now believe that if I had asked an even simpler question – such as, What do you mean by mass, or acceleration, which is the scientific equivalent of saying, Can you read? – not more than one in ten of the highly educated would have felt that I was speaking the same language. So the great edifice of modern physics goes up, and the majority of the cleverest people in the western world have about as much insight into it as their Neolithic ancestors would have had.”

    What C.P. Snow failed to note, I think, is that the group he describes is actually aware of their scientific ignorance, and this leaves them very insecure. This accounts for their need for simple narratives, however wrong. It allows them to believe that they actually do ‘understand’ the science, and, as we see, they become arrogantly proud of their alleged accomplishment. Of course, they forget that their ignorance extends to understanding what science actually is. They forget that the opposite of Science is ‘The Science’. The situation is compounded when one comes to climate where most scientists are also ignorant, but where their support for the narrative comforts the non-scientists. On top of all this, I suspect that in a long period of wellbeing, this elite feels the need to show that they too have met challenges – even if the challenges are purely imaginary. This seems particularly true for young people who are confronted with stories of the courage of the ‘greatest generation’.
    https://co2coalition.org/news/the-im...e-the-message/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Wow.

    Yeah - it's much better to go w/ hunches & gut feelings & stuff like that.
    Of course you prefer political lies, no surprise there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Of course you prefer political lies, no surprise there.
    Nope. I wasn't a Trump supporter. The man lies every time he speaks.

    But, I believe in science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Nope. I wasn't a Trump supporter. The man lies every time he speaks.

    But, I believe in science.
    You believe in The Science, not the same thing.


    What C.P. Snow failed to note, I think, is that the group he describes is actually aware of their scientific ignorance, and this leaves them very insecure. This accounts for their need for simple narratives, however wrong. It allows them to believe that they actually do ‘understand’ the science, and, as we see, they become arrogantly proud of their alleged accomplishment. Of course, they forget that their ignorance extends to understanding what science actually is. They forget that the opposite of Science is ‘The Science’.
    The situation is compounded when one comes to climate where most scientists are also ignorant, but where their support for the narrative comforts the non-scientists. On top of all this, I suspect that in a long period of wellbeing, this elite feels the need to show that they too have met challenges – even if the challenges are purely imaginary. This seems particularly true for young people who are confronted with stories of the courage of the ‘greatest generation’.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...98#post5106798
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