Sure there are, but not the majority, but regardless, how many parents, hypothetically with say a junior high kid is going to automatically accept the school telling them their kid isn’t capable of an advanced education so we are going to track him into a vocational school?
In many countries in Europe, Ireland which I know, tests kids and does track them entering secondary school, but those countries also have strong labor unions where a trade isn’t considered secondary, tough egalitarian view to sell in America
Mina (05-13-2022)
Yes.
One advantage of formal education is that if you go to a decent university, it forces you to learn things outside your existing interests, at least early in your education, and few people have the self-discipline to do that on their own. People who never have that formal higher education often never break out beyond a narrow set of interests, so although they may become pretty impressive in those narrow fields, they can be shockingly ignorant of context.
I run into that online a lot -- like sixty-year-old men who could practically write you a book on the US Civil War's military history off the top of their heads, because they've been reading pop history about its battles for decades, but couldn't tell you a thing about what was going on in the world outside of the US at that moment.... or even much about non-military US history from the era. It's all just battlefields, generals, and maneuvers for them.
They didn't. They still work for the working class, which is why they still win the working class handily. Biden beat Trump by 11 points among those earning under $50,000 per year, and by even more among those in the $50k-$100k range. Trump only did better among those earning $100k or more.
Democrats just don't do well with the WHITE working class, because of the GOP's successful strategy of demagoguing racial issues.
More to the point, a lot of people misuse the term "working class" as if it were synonymous with "undereducated white guy." It isn't. Say, for instance, that you inherited a plumbing business from your father, and now you live comfortably off the labors of a bunch of employees who do the actual wrench-turning. Even if you don't have a day of education past high school, that doesn't make you "working class." It makes you part of the ownership class. Same with people who got handed a family farm, and now sit out on their porch drinking sweet tea while the brown people sweat in their fields.
That's really the key demographic of Trump-era Republicans -- not the working class, but the white, rural ownership class.
I'm not speaking/suggesting at all about going the European model route of putting kids in a vocational school path early on. We see plenty of kids go into huge debt though to go to college for certain degrees where they make little money in their profession. I see no problem if a kid desires trade school instead (if there's an opportunity for work in that field).
(And we're not talking about kids who are choosing between Cal Berkeley or trade school.)
The OP made it clear he/she only cares how people vote. I hope we don't dictate policy on education in that regard.
Yes, and that's why I didn't stick with sweeping generalizations. I provided a lot of specifics, such as what number of the most educated states went for the Dems and what number of the least educated went for the Republicans. And if you don't believe my very specific claims, I provided a link with which you can confirm for yourself. I understand that you'd like to use a sweeping generalization to dismiss those facts, but they aren't going anywhere merely because they made you uncomfortable.
You may remember Dick Vitale (used to love to rush home from school in the '80's and listen to him on Big Monday). I can remember him talking about athletes and how they needed to teach the kids trade skills. I was young and didn't think much of it at the time but now that I remember him saying that I get where he was coming from. Everyone has their own path.
Simple answer: Romney really isn't a mainstream Republican. He's more like Democrat lite. That is, he'd be a Democrat in the say, 1970's but isn't today because the Democrats have moved too far Left for his tastes. That's how he got elected governor of Massachusetts. He was seen as a moderate Democrat at a time when the Democrats were becoming Progressive Leftists.
It also doesn't change what I said about people with degrees. I run into those sorts of idiots all the time. They have a degree in some simple liberal art and can't do percentages unless they happen to have a calculator with a % key on it. When I was in college the class that was a real eye opener to that was I took astronomy. I did this because I thought it would be fun and as a junior, I only had three classes toward my major that semester and needed a filler because of the way the GI Bill money worked. That is, I had 9 hours of classes, and needed 12 to get full funding. If I took 9 I lost like 50% of the funding because I'd be "parttime" by the rules of how that funding worked. Crazy huh?
Anyway, here I was in this freshman astronomy class after physics with calculus, statistics, industrial engineering classes, a few electrical and nuclear engineering classes (my Navy background helped make those a breeze), etc. The class was close to 100 students and I was the sole standout it seemed. Everybody else, mostly women, were in liberal arts degree programs.
I was just astounded again and again by the sheer vapidness and inability to think and problem solve that class had.
Liberal / Leftist politics comes down to non-thinkers who operate off feelings and emotion, often to the point where they willfully ignore logic and facts even when presented with them.
Here's an example I found just the other day. A PhD in psychology trying to argue that nuclear power is bad.
https://emagazine.com/the-insanity-o...uclear-energy/
That article is a mix of outright lies, wrong information, and conspiracy theories. It's a proof that education doesn't equal intelligence or even expert knowledge on some subject.
Yeah, but none of those paths starts with wanting to be a sheet rocker
And I’d send the kid to Stanford, just start taping those daily vocabulary words to the bathroom mirror and encourage the right reading lists
Not a Dick Vitale fan, when I watch a basketball game if I hear at all from the color commentator I prefer it relates to what is happening on the court, not some “diaper dandy” in Boise, Idaho who is going to be the next Magic Johnson. Al McGuire employed his street smarts and wit to add humor to his broadcasts, Vitale attempted to emulate that but largely wind up just echoing nonsense
The reality is there are many kids (Div 1 college b-ball players) that are in school because of athletics, not their grades (as in they would not have qualified for admissions strictly on academic merit). Many schools just push these kids to the easiest majors and give them a bunch of tutors to help keep them eligible. So when their eligibility is up they either don't have a degree or if they do it's probably not worth the paper its written on. That's who Vitale was talking about. Set these kids up with skills that will have real world applications.
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