Education and Politics

[Hawkeye10]

The American education system has been destroyed by the WOKE Revolution, from Pre-K to Post Doc.

The last thing they want to see are people who can think for themselves.

[Celticguy]

They didn't. They still work for the working class, which is why they still win the working class handily. Biden beat Trump by 11 points among those earning under $50,000 per year, and by even more among those in the $50k-$100k range. Trump only did better among those earning $100k or more.

Democrats just don't do well with the WHITE working class, because of the GOP's successful strategy of demagoguing racial issues.

More to the point, a lot of people misuse the term "working class" as if it were synonymous with "undereducated white guy." It isn't. Say, for instance, that you inherited a plumbing business from your father, and now you live comfortably off the labors of a bunch of employees who do the actual wrench-turning. Even if you don't have a day of education past high school, that doesn't make you "working class." It makes you part of the ownership class. Same with people who got handed a family farm, and now sit out on their porch drinking sweet tea while the brown people sweat in their fields.

That's really the key demographic of Trump-era Republicans -- not the working class, but the white, rural ownership class.

lets not confuse black vote for working class. but they have been losing groud there as well.

[archives]

The reality is there are many kids (Div 1 college b-ball players) that are in school because of athletics, not their grades (as in they would not have qualified for admissions strictly on academic merit). Many schools just push these kids to the easiest majors and give them a bunch of tutors to help keep them eligible. So when their eligibility is up they either don't have a degree or if they do it's probably not worth the paper its written on. That's who Vitale was talking about. Set these kids up with skills that will have real world applications.

As I said, not a fan, and Vitale was one of the biggest cheerleaders of Valvano who was the Bruce Pearl of his day, doesn't seem he was really all that concerned about scholar athletes

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

One interesting phenomenon that has taken place in the last couple decades is that various communities within the US have been realigning politically based on education level.

There used to be low-education areas that voted Democrat consistently, and high-education areas that voted Republican. West Virginia went for the Democrat in eight out of ten presidential elections between 1960 and 1996. Virginia, meanwhile, went Republican in all but one presidential election between 1952 and 2004. But, lately, there's almost perfect sorting of the states by education into red and blue camps, as formerly Democratic low-education areas pulled right and started falling to the Republicans (including WV), while formerly Republican high-education areas went blue (including VA).

You can see that here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal_attainment

If you list those by the percent of residents with a Bachelor's degree, the top 15 ALL went for Clinton and Biden, in the last two presidential elections. Meanwhile, of the 29 lowest-education places, only two went Democrat twice in the last two presidential elections: Nevada and New Mexico (though PR also would have, if they got a vote).

You see similar patterns if you list by advanced degrees. In 2020, Trump lost all of the top twenty places with the highest percentage of residents who have advanced degrees. The patterns also tend to hold within states. For example, in New York State, downstate New York tends to be highly educated, and usually goes overwhelmingly Democratic, while upstate has less education, and often goes Republican. New York County (Manhattan), where 87% of voters went for Biden, is New York's most educated county, with 61.3% of those 25 and over with a Bachelor's degree or better. Tioga County, where 59% went for Trump, is New York's least educated county, where only 26% of those 25 and older have a degree.

This isn't unique to the US, either. Although there isn't perfect sorting my education level internationally, generally speaking highly liberal areas like the countries of Scandinavia and other parts of northern and western Europe tend to have high educational levels (e.g. 44% of Dutch people age 25-34 having a four-year degree or better), while more conservative areas have low education (eg., 19% for Chile, or 11% for Indonesia).

I think this helps to explain the hostility so many on the right feel towards higher education.... why, for example, there's such a push for sending fewer people to college and guiding more to trade school. An educated community amounts to home-field advantage for liberal politicians.

education now is indoctrination. it basically means you're dumb and have no innate bullshit detector.

PHD = pile it higher and deeper.

[BidenPresident]

Look at this forum. The trolls and dumb people are all right wingers.

[cawacko]

education now is indoctrination. it basically means you're dumb and have no innate bullshit detector.

PHD = pile it higher and deeper.

Question for you. You told me I was a horrible parent because I have aspirations of my daughter one day attending an elite University. Now we know your affinity for Trump. He was educated in elite schools growing up as well as being as Ivy League grad. He sent his kids to the most elite private schools in NYC (or elite boarding schools) and then elite Universities.

Does he get a pass as a parent because you like his world view?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Question for you. You told me I was a horrible parent because I have aspirations of my daughter one day attending an elite University. Now we know your affinity for Trump. He was educated in elite schools growing up as well as being as Ivy League grad. He sent his kids to the most elite private schools in NYC (or elite boarding schools) and then elite Universities.

Does he get a pass as a parent because you like his world view?

are you encouraging her to get in 200,000 of debt for a degree of questionable value?

trumps are in a different category.

a million here and there makes no difference for trump type people.

but for regular people its an important decision.

[cawacko]

are you encouraging her to get in 200,000 of debt for a degree of questionable value?

trumps are in a different category.

a million here and there makes no difference for trump type people.

but for regular people its an important decision.

You have no idea my financial situation or is she may receive a scholarship etc.

So your premise is if you're rich its ok to send your kids to elite schools but if you're not rich then you're a bad parent for wanting to do so?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

You have no idea my financial situation or is she may receive a scholarship etc.

So your premise is if you're rich its ok to send your kids to elite schools but if you're not rich then you're a bad parent for wanting to do so?

if it's gonna be a high debt for a questionable degree, it's a bad decision.

villainize that senitment if you wish.

[cawacko]

if it's gonna be a high debt for a questionable degree, it's a bad decision.

villainize that senitment if you wish.

When you said I was a bad parent for desiring to send my daughter to the best school possible there was zero discussion about what degree she would pursue.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

When you said I was a bad parent for desiring to send my daughter to the best school possible there was zero discussion about what degree she would pursue.

Im elaborating now.

but if you want to stay pissed, be my guest.

how do you want to feel?

[leaningright]

Is a good idea, but difficult in the U.S., it would involve tracking kids at an early age, and there aren’t many American parents who want their child to labeled as less than capable. Besides, with the Unions diminished, many of those trades don’t offer the financial benefits they once did and are less attractive

With a view towards segregation…

[leaningright]

They didn't. They still work for the working class, which is why they still win the working class handily. Biden beat Trump by 11 points among those earning under $50,000 per year, and by even more among those in the $50k-$100k range. Trump only did better among those earning $100k or more.

Democrats just don't do well with the WHITE working class, because of the GOP's successful strategy of demagoguing racial issues.

More to the point, a lot of people misuse the term "working class" as if it were synonymous with "undereducated white guy." It isn't. Say, for instance, that you inherited a plumbing business from your father, and now you live comfortably off the labors of a bunch of employees who do the actual wrench-turning. Even if you don't have a day of education past high school, that doesn't make you "working class." It makes you part of the ownership class. Same with people who got handed a family farm, and now sit out on their porch drinking sweet tea while the brown people sweat in their fields.

That's really the key demographic of Trump-era Republicans -- not the working class, but the white, rural ownership class.

This post really deserves a big groan.

[Geeko Sportivo]

That's because "higher" education has changed. Today, many go to college only to get thoroughly stupid studying under radical Leftist, crazy, whack-a-doodle professors. They attain a level of stupidity not found in nature by the time they graduate. So, nothing really has changed. Idiots are still voting Democrat.

No T.A.!

Nothing wrong with Higher Education.

You just never know what will come out of the mix.

Both Obama and Ted Cruz studied Law under Alan Dershowitz at Harvard.

They still walked away with different political ideologies!

Does that mean that Dershowitz failed or did a great job?

I think he did a great job- because he didn't bring politics into his classroom!

I don't care what Musk says, as one can even acquire a doctorate degree and still be an idiot- JUST LOOK AT DR. OZ as one of my best examples!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...r-or-a-doctor/

[T. A. Gardner]

No T.A.!

Nothing wrong with Higher Education.

You just never know what will come out of the mix.

Both Obama and Ted Cruz studied Law under Alan Dershowitz at Harvard.

They still walked away with different political ideologies!

Does that mean that Dershowitz failed or did a great job?

I think he did a great job- because he didn't bring politics into his classroom!

Who cares, it was just law school--a simple liberal arts degree in how to be a glorified secretary pushing paper...