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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Back when Americans could pay for their housing for the month with 3 days worth of work? Yes!
    Back when the top earners paid 70%? Yes.

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    The more the better, but they should source their own needs rather than buying from private suppliers.
    Taxpayers should be buying goods and services, not contributing to corporate profits.

    If a necessary industry isn't profitable, just move it out of the private sector.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    What makes you think that? Remember, the majority of the countries that have created and sustained general prosperity were over 30%. The EU's countries are in the 40s, on average, and even conservative Switzerland is up over 30%. Many of the countries that have had the highest average GDP growth rates over the past generations also have been well over 30%. China's in the mid-30s, for example. China's economy has doubled in size in real terms about every 10.84 years, versus every 34.57 for the US. For that matter, at least for the 1960-2018 period, the economic doubling time has been shorter for most liberal countries than for the US -- including Iceland, Luxembourg, Norway, Finland, and Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ta_growth_rate

    I'm just not seeing evidence of 30% as any kind of "danger zone" threshold.
    Here is a website which claims to give the % of spending vs GDP including state and local. 2022 is over 37% of GDP. (It looks like it gets it's data from US Budget historical documents so no reason to think it isn't relatively accurate.)
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com...ng_percent_gdp

    It allows you to go back and look at the other years. We have almost always been above 30% for all government spending since at least 1980. Of course spending doesn't equate to taxes since the Feds run a deficit almost every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Back when Americans could pay for their housing for the month with 3 days worth of work? Yes!
    Then you should be behind Democratic Party economic ideas that created those years of prosperity

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    Ask yourself why republicans are the one that crash the economy



    And Democrats are the ones that have to clean up the messes republicans create




    All clearly shown if you use the actual numbers and facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Back when the top earners paid 70%? Yes.
    Idk about all that. I just know how it was, and how it is now. How it got to be how it is now needs to be reversed in order for things to be fair for upcoming Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Tell us how you run away when your wife wins a debate on how shitty a husband you are
    That's a story for another time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    Was that for me? I didn't say anything about inflating debt away.
    what do you think about the genius of doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Then you should be behind Democratic Party economic ideas that created those years of prosperity
    Democrats caused this shit and want free Americans to be serfs. Fuck You.

    This is America, not feudal England, bitch!

    Your president Clinton gave state-of-the-art missile tech to China, bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Idk about all that. I just know how it was, and how it is now. How it got to be how it is now needs to be reversed in order for things to be fair for upcoming Americans.
    If you don’t know that


    Then quit pretending your piont of view is based on facts idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
    I'm comparing every single major nation in the world that has achieved a decent quality of life for its people. When you list all of those, you find that the US is close to being an outlier when it comes to government spending, since our non-military government spending is lower than that for every other big wealthy nation, and nearly every other wealthy nation even if you count the little ones.

    I think in other contexts, this kind of "peer benchmarking" would be given a lot of weight. Like if a company were to realize that it spends less on training its employees than all its major competitors, and nearly all its competitors of any size, it would think long and hard about whether maybe it should be spending more. Or if an NBA team realized that it was taking fewer 3-point shots than all the other playoff teams, and that there were even just two or three non-playoff teams taking fewer 3-point shots than it was, it would strongly consider working on shooting more of them. When the large majority of those who are succeeding are doing something more than you are, it's suggestive (but not definitive) evidence that you could be more successful if you did more of that thing.
    comparison is the birth of envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    comparison is the birth of envy.
    Running way from a debate you can’t win based on fact is worse than envy



    It’s utter failure


    Why do you chose to lose loser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    If you don’t know that


    Then quit pretending your piont of view is based on facts idiot
    Oh, my point of view is definitely based on facts, you little commie shill cunt.

    Americans in the future should be able to have it as good as I did. One week's worth of work should pay for anyone's housing for a month.

    I was literally taught that by a mentor back in the day. Next week's pay covers groceries and utilities. Then you have 2 weeks of pay that's disposable income.

    That's all I wish for future Americans. That's what MAGA is about. It not fair to them to leave them the country in the fucked up situation it's in now.

    Irregardless if they deserve it or wtf ever. That's their problem. My problem is the country we're leaving them isn't as good as the one we enjoyed growing up. They should be entitled to that too.

    Why can't we conservatively keep America as good as it was before it's handed off to future generations?

    Something needs to change so they have the same opportunities we had. Hordes of illegal immigrants does not help that situation at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    If you don’t know that


    Then quit pretending your piont of view is based on facts idiot
    hey dumb boomer.

    the bankers created a perfect life for you so you would believe in their stupid system and betray your grandchildren.

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