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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    so how do you know how much is unreported?
    IMO it's like an iceberg. About 50% is unreported.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Here's an article for your daughter. Gamergate (harassment campaign.) This nasty conspiracy theory extends to many famous women, not just gamers.

    Gamergate was a misogynistic online harassment campaign and a right-wing backlash against feminism and progressivism in video game culture, conducted using the hashtag "#Gamergate". Beginning in August 2014, Gamergate targeted women in the video game industry, most notably feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian and game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, among others. The harassment campaign included doxing, threats of rape, and death threats.
    Not sure what any of that has to do with the Depp v Heard trial, in cricketing parlance you've just bowled a googlie!
    As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Not sure what any of that has to do with the Depp v Heard trial, in cricketing parlance you've just bowled a googlie!
    There are a bunch of articles about why Heard is so hated on the internet and one of them brought up gamergate.

    Why Does the Internet Hate Amber Heard?

    In the excerpt below, Derek and
    The Atlantic’s Kaitlyn Tiffany discuss comparisons between Gamergate and the Amber Heard–Johnny Depp trial and social media responses to the trial.


    Derek Thompson: Kaitlyn, why is the internet so obsessed with this trial?

    Kaitlyn Tiffany: Well, I think one thing to understand about why so much of the trial stuff seems to be everywhere is that it is emanating from these groups of people that are already really tightly connected and networked. So, that would be the Johnny Depp fandom or related groups that are sympathetic to the Johnny Depp fandom. This is why, I mean, not to draw this comparison right off the top, but this is why Gamergate felt unavoidable, right...?

    Tiffany: Yeah. Gamergate’s, I don’t know, arguably the most important cultural, historical event of my adult life. It started actually when I was in my first year as a journalist at a tech website, so I was very intimately acquainted with Gamergate. But basically, Gamergate was this elaborate, I guess you could say, system or network of harassment campaigns that started in the video games sphere and was directed at women in that industry, and then just radiated outward to be this just massive outpouring of misogyny and reactionary politics on the internet...

    https://www.theringer.com/2022/5/20/23132204/why-does-internet-hate-amber-heard


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    "Depp alleged that he was "shown a picture" of human fecal matter left on his side of the bed, presumably left by Heard, following a 2016 argument. At the time, a witness claimed it was meant as a practical joke."

    "Alleged," "shown a picture," "presumably." That's a lot of qualifiers and also shows that Depp didn't see it in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    IMO it's like an iceberg. About 50% is unreported.
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    Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --Asshatzombie

    internationalist fascism: the belief that the interests of multinational corporations should be the sole focus of all national trade policies.

    Yaldabaoth (ignorance via the ego) is created when reason follows the outward senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    It's a jury trial and the jury appears to be star struck. I wish I could believe they'll be impartial but Depp is actor enough to sell them on his victimhood.
    They have to obey the law. Like any other trial, the Judge will instruct the jury about the law and the facts for deciding a case. My understanding is that it's a simple majority vote. The jury doesn't have to like Heard to agree the Depp hasn't proved defamation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    There are a bunch of articles about why Heard is so hated on the internet and one of them brought up gamergate.

    Why Does the Internet Hate Amber Heard?

    In the excerpt below, Derek and
    The Atlantic’s Kaitlyn Tiffany discuss comparisons between Gamergate and the Amber Heard–Johnny Depp trial and social media responses to the trial.


    Derek Thompson: Kaitlyn, why is the internet so obsessed with this trial?

    Kaitlyn Tiffany: Well, I think one thing to understand about why so much of the trial stuff seems to be everywhere is that it is emanating from these groups of people that are already really tightly connected and networked. So, that would be the Johnny Depp fandom or related groups that are sympathetic to the Johnny Depp fandom. This is why, I mean, not to draw this comparison right off the top, but this is why Gamergate felt unavoidable, right...?

    Tiffany: Yeah. Gamergate’s, I don’t know, arguably the most important cultural, historical event of my adult life. It started actually when I was in my first year as a journalist at a tech website, so I was very intimately acquainted with Gamergate. But basically, Gamergate was this elaborate, I guess you could say, system or network of harassment campaigns that started in the video games sphere and was directed at women in that industry, and then just radiated outward to be this just massive outpouring of misogyny and reactionary politics on the internet...

    https://www.theringer.com/2022/5/20/23132204/why-does-internet-hate-amber-heard
    ...and then Women-hating Incels were born. Sad.

    In most cases women always have to be better than men to succeed. My wife still runs into problems where she asks me to talk to some asshole who is giving her the runaround, presumably because she's a woman. People can listen to phone calls and hear how many men change their tone and demeanor when first talking to a woman and then a man coming on the line. I don't get it, but that's how many are.

    Most of these calls were talking to service workers, not NASA engineers. So maybe that's a clue to the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    They have to obey the law. Like any other trial, the Judge will instruct the jury about the law and the facts for deciding a case. My understanding is that it's a simple majority vote. The jury doesn't have to like Heard to agree the Depp hasn't proved defamation.
    It doesn't have to be unanimous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    It doesn't have to be unanimous?
    Not a lawyer, but my understanding from a thousand Law & Order episodes is that civil trials are decided by a majority, criminal trials are "beyond a reasonable doubt". This could be a state thing only. IDK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    It doesn't have to be unanimous?
    The article/link below hints at a majority vote, but doesn't specify it that I could see. It does give a good synopsis on how the civil court system works. Notice the compensation aspect. Depp could win and be awarded $1.

    My understanding of defamation cases is that the rules are a little clearer on how the decision is made.

    What do you think are the odds of an out of court settlement? Slim and none? Zero? 50/50?

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    ...If they rule in favour of Heard she will not have to pay Depp any money.

    Heard will not go to prison even if the jury decides in Depp’s favour.

    This is a civil trial, not a criminal case. Neither Heard nor Depp are being tried on any criminal charges.

    A civil case is a court case in which a person or entity (the plaintiff) can find another person or entity (the defendant) liable for some type of harm or wrongful act. When someone is sued, this is a civil case.

    If the plaintiff is successful, they will normally receive some form of compensation from the defendant.

    A civil lawsuit can be brought over anything from a contract dispute or a residential eviction to injuries sustained in a car accident, or countless other harms or disputes.

    Civil cases are intended to compensate the person who is harmed rather than punish the defendant. If the defendant loses a civil case they are not convicted of a crime, as they would be in a criminal case, and they do not face prison – even if they are found found liable for conduct which amounts to a criminal act.

    The burden of proof is also lighter in a civil case than a criminal case. In a criminal case the defendant’s guilt must be proven “beyond reasonable doubt”, whereas in a civil case the jury simply has to decide which side of the dispute they believe to be more likely.

    Civil cases can also be settled out of court. The plaintiff and defendant’s lawyers will often debate and aim to come up with a sum that can be paid to defendant, ending the court case without a need for it to reach its resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    The article/link below hints at a majority vote, but doesn't specify it that I could see. It does give a good synopsis on how the civil court system works. Notice the compensation aspect. Depp could win and be awarded $1.

    My understanding of defamation cases is that the rules are a little clearer on how the decision is made.

    What do you think are the odds of an out of court settlement? Slim and none? Zero? 50/50?

    https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/...lained-1641079
    ...If they rule in favour of Heard she will not have to pay Depp any money.

    Heard will not go to prison even if the jury decides in Depp’s favour.

    This is a civil trial, not a criminal case. Neither Heard nor Depp are being tried on any criminal charges.

    A civil case is a court case in which a person or entity (the plaintiff) can find another person or entity (the defendant) liable for some type of harm or wrongful act. When someone is sued, this is a civil case.

    If the plaintiff is successful, they will normally receive some form of compensation from the defendant.

    A civil lawsuit can be brought over anything from a contract dispute or a residential eviction to injuries sustained in a car accident, or countless other harms or disputes.

    Civil cases are intended to compensate the person who is harmed rather than punish the defendant. If the defendant loses a civil case they are not convicted of a crime, as they would be in a criminal case, and they do not face prison – even if they are found found liable for conduct which amounts to a criminal act.

    The burden of proof is also lighter in a civil case than a criminal case. In a criminal case the defendant’s guilt must be proven “beyond reasonable doubt”, whereas in a civil case the jury simply has to decide which side of the dispute they believe to be more likely.

    Civil cases can also be settled out of court. The plaintiff and defendant’s lawyers will often debate and aim to come up with a sum that can be paid to defendant, ending the court case without a need for it to reach its resolution.
    I just don't know. I heard it was majority vote and then heard the opposite. Maybe Jarod knows. I doubt they would settle. If he wins, I wonder how she would pay it? She doesn't have that kind of money, unless Elon pays it for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    I just don't know. I heard it was majority vote and then heard the opposite. Maybe Jarod knows. I doubt they would settle. If he wins, I wonder how she would pay it? She doesn't have that kind of money, unless Elon pays it for her.
    She'd make a good porn actress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    She'd make a good porn actress.
    I wonder if Johnny won, everyone would be happy and she would just skulk off into the land of obscurity. Or, if he loses, will she be the most reviled woman connected to Hollywood and never work again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    I wonder if Johnny won, everyone would be happy and she would just skulk off into the land of obscurity. Or, if he loses, will she be the most reviled woman connected to Hollywood and never work again?
    The haters will continue to hate, even if it's only gloating. They could both drop dead tomorrow and it wouldn't affect my family or me one bit. LOL

    Looking over her movie list, I've seen several of them but don't recall her in particular. From what little I've seen of her on the stand, she's a D-list actress. Since the Whores of Babylon believe "There's no such thing as bad publicity", she'll probably be pushed into B-list or higher, rack up the payments and retire with a tidy sum. Depp will continue to make millions, get shitfaced and beat women. The rest of the world will move on to the next celebrity trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    There are a bunch of articles about why Heard is so hated on the internet and one of them brought up gamergate.

    Why Does the Internet Hate Amber Heard?

    In the excerpt below, Derek and
    The Atlantic’s Kaitlyn Tiffany discuss comparisons between Gamergate and the Amber Heard–Johnny Depp trial and social media responses to the trial.


    Derek Thompson: Kaitlyn, why is the internet so obsessed with this trial?

    Kaitlyn Tiffany: Well, I think one thing to understand about why so much of the trial stuff seems to be everywhere is that it is emanating from these groups of people that are already really tightly connected and networked. So, that would be the Johnny Depp fandom or related groups that are sympathetic to the Johnny Depp fandom. This is why, I mean, not to draw this comparison right off the top, but this is why Gamergate felt unavoidable, right...?

    Tiffany: Yeah. Gamergate’s, I don’t know, arguably the most important cultural, historical event of my adult life. It started actually when I was in my first year as a journalist at a tech website, so I was very intimately acquainted with Gamergate. But basically, Gamergate was this elaborate, I guess you could say, system or network of harassment campaigns that started in the video games sphere and was directed at women in that industry, and then just radiated outward to be this just massive outpouring of misogyny and reactionary politics on the internet...

    https://www.theringer.com/2022/5/20/23132204/why-does-internet-hate-amber-heard
    Depp was married to Vanessa Paradise for 14 years and never even the slightest hint of any violent behaviour. Compare that to Heard where she accused him of many incidents in little over 18 months.
    As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

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