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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Homosexuality is the result of a cycle of repetitive child molestation that has perpetuated throughout the centuries.

    How was the first homosexual created? Were they molested by a same sex-parent?
    I do not agree, but you show that those who discriminate against gays should be hating the molesters and not their now gay victims.

    We are on the same side here, even though your views are silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian View Post
    The oppressed are all of our business, fool, and so are the people who oppress them without a just cause.

    I like to show that I think homophobes are less well adjusted than gays, as they put sex above love, --- while gays are better thinkers as they put love above sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMode View Post
    No. Actually, none of us do.
    Actually we do, but it is rather limited.

    We can know that we do have a free will, by the fact that we can give it up to another's will.

    If you are correct and we have no free will at all, then we cannot in good conscience punish any criminals, as they had no choice but to do what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Bible says we do…
    I disagree and will trade you quotes.

    I have mine, that disagree with your view, imbedded in the following O.P.

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    Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

    Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



    Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

    The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

    If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

    Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

    Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

    I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

    Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.


    What is your choice of those two options?

    Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

    I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

    What do you think is the truth?

    Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Cycle of child sexual abuse:

    Researchers M.R. Hilton and G.C. Mezey discovered that there is a progression from victim to victimizer, as child sexual abusers often report a cycle of sexual victimization.

    This is particularly common in pedophiles whose preferred targets are little boys.

    Hilton & Mezey make some further points:

    1. The more deviant the patient population, the higher the rates of past victimization

    2. The choice of victims is dependent on the victims' physical characteristics, including age

    3. There is often a tendency to abuse the victim in a way that replicates the offender's own experience of abuse


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8894189/

    Most child molesters are not homosexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Cycle of child sexual abuse:

    Researchers M.R. Hilton and G.C. Mezey discovered that there is a progression from victim to victimizer, as child sexual abusers often report a cycle of sexual victimization.

    This is particularly common in pedophiles whose preferred targets are little boys.

    Hilton & Mezey make some further points:

    1. The more deviant the patient population, the higher the rates of past victimization

    2. The choice of victims is dependent on the victims' physical characteristics, including age

    3. There is often a tendency to abuse the victim in a way that replicates the offender's own experience of abuse


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8894189/
    this does happen but far less frequently than you suggest.
    as shrinks learned over generations of analysis, an inability to cope with mom and/or dad push them to the easier to deal with.

    Not sure why DL needs someone to "blame" but thats his thing and he's free to feel as he does.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I don't think it matters at all to how we live in this nation today. I do not believe in this "god" you speak of and could not care less if you need to believe that it is "god's" fault that folks are gay.

    In a nation that allows you to believe as you want to believe, it should not matter if some folks believe that God thinks "Gay=Bad" when making the rules as to how folks act in society. The rules of some random, or even majority, religion are not something we should, or can, take into account when generating the rules of society. Some folks do not believe that way, some even think that this "God" thinks "Gay=Good" and they too don't matter when making the rules that govern society.

    Whether God "Created" anything or not, nobody's religious beliefs should be the central reason we have any rule for how we govern society.
    You have assumed that I believe in a supernatural God.

    Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Nurture
    Why would a heterosexual parent nurture gayness into their child?

    Tell us how that is done, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Diversity
    Believers seem to hate people with diverse ways.

    IDK if I believe you, because Christians killed people for even wearing diverse types of cloth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    this does happen but far less frequently than you suggest.
    How do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Welcome to the forum.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flush View Post


    Most child molesters are not homosexual.
    Most humans are not homosexual, ergo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian View Post
    I do not agree, but you show that those who discriminate against gays should be hating the molesters and not their now gay victims. We are on the same side here, even though your views are silly. Regards
    DL
    If the researchers cited above are correct, all homosexuals are victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post

    Not sure why DL needs someone to "blame" but thats his thing and he's free to feel as he does.
    You have not read enough yet and are wrong.

    That little O.P. was more for posting in non-atheist sites, but I thought that atheists here might be the norm, I E more moral rhaqn Christians, and I thought I would terach yiou mora moral people how to chat with immoral believers, whom you should be fighting it you are one of the more moral atheists.

    If you are not, then let me teach you.

    Morals are a Gnostic Christian forte.

    That is why the inquisitors were sent to rid the world of us instead of Christianity's apologists.

    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    If the researchers cited above are correct, all homosexuals are victims.
    And if not, they are not.

    We sure learned a lot here.

    Regards
    DL

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