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    Default The end of particle physics?

    Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else

    Unless Europe’s Large Hadron Collider coughs up a surprise, the field of particle physics may wheeze to its end


    A decade ago, particle physicists thrilled the world. On 4 July 2012, 6000 researchers working with the world’s biggest atom smasher, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European particle physics laboratory, CERN, announced they had discovered the Higgs boson, a massive, fleeting particle key to their abstruse explanation of how other fundamental particles get their mass. The discovery fulfilled a 45-year-old prediction, completed a theory called the standard model, and thrust physicists into the spotlight.

    Then came a long hangover. Before the 27-kilometer-long ring-shaped LHC started to take data in 2010, physicists fretted that it might produce the Higgs and nothing else, leaving no clue to what lies beyond the standard model. So far, that nightmare scenario is coming true. “It’s a bit disappointing,” allows Barry Barish, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology. “I thought we would discover supersymmetry,” the leading extension of the standard model.

    It’s too early to despair, many physicists say. After 3 years of upgrades, the LHC is now powering up for the third of five planned runs, and some new particle could emerge in the billions of proton-proton collisions it will produce every second. In fact, the LHC should run for another 16 years, and with further upgrades should collect 16 times as much data as it already has. All those data could reveal subtle signs of novel particles and phenomena.

    Still, some researchers say the writing is on the wall for collider physics. “If they don’t find anything, this field is dead,” says Juan Collar, a physicist at the University of Chicago who hunts dark matter in smaller experiments. John Ellis, a theorist at King’s College London, says hopes of a sudden breakthrough have given way to the prospect of a long, uncertain grind toward discovery. “It’s going to be like pulling teeth, not like teeth falling out.”

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    The energy needed to break apart fermions into more fundamental particles may be beyond our reach, or the reach of any conceivable technology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The energy needed to break apart fermions into more fundamental particles may be beyond our reach, or the reach of any conceivable technology
    Maybe right now! But there was a time we didn't have the technology to make a wheel.
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    I dont have enough expertise to evaluate but I have heard that the entire field of physics is now a cluster fuck. Then too the WOKE are currently engaged in a full on assault of STEM because science is a threat to their religion, a battle that Jordan Peterson says that the Revolution will win.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Sixteen time zero is still zero. LHC is the biggest scam since string theory. The war machine was betting they could weaponize it.

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    There have certainly been too many wrong turns, over too long a period, these "experts" appear incompetent.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    There have certainly been too many wrong turns, over too long a period, these "experts" appear incompetent.
    They tried a square wheel before a round one!
    It takes time to get progress right!
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    When looking at Physics it is worth remembering that hubris is how civilizations generally die.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    There have certainly been too many wrong turns, over too long a period, these "experts" appear incompetent.
    The discovery of the Higgs field was a once-in-a-century landmark scientific breakthrough. We should all be so lucky to be that "incompetent" in our jobs.

    It took 80 years to get from Darwinian evolution to the modern NeoDarwinian-Mendelian synthesis. We can't expect landmark scientific breakthroughs to happen like clockwork.

    But I have heard some talk that we might be looking at a vast desert, where the technology to reach the energies needed to probe a new kind of physics beyond the Standard Model is just simply beyond our technical and economic capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Sixteen time zero is still zero. LHC is the biggest scam since string theory. The war machine was betting they could weaponize it.
    Congress wouldn't fund a super collider in the United States, even though one was proposed. And we usually give the Pentagon anything they want, so I don't think the Department of Defense really had high hopes for amazing new weapons from the Higgs boson, supersymmetry, or string theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The discovery of the Higgs field was a once-in-a-century landmark scientific breakthrough. We should all be so lucky to be that "incompetent" in our jobs.

    It took 80 years to get from Darwinian evolution to the modern NeoDarwinian-Mendelian synthesis. We can't expect landmark scientific breakthroughs to happen like clockwork.

    But I have heard some talk that we might be looking at a vast desert, where the technology to reach the energies needed to probe a new kind of physics beyond the Standard Model is just simply beyond our technical and economic capacity.
    For now maybe,but slow but sure knowledge moves forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I dont have enough expertise to evaluate but I have heard that the entire field of physics is now a cluster fuck. Then too the WOKE are currently engaged in a full on assault of STEM because science is a threat to their religion, a battle that Jordan Peterson says that the Revolution will win.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Congress wouldn't fund a super collider in the United States, even though one was proposed. And we usually give the Pentagon anything they want, so I don't think the Department of Defense really had high hopes for amazing new weapons from the Higgs boson, supersymmetry, or string theory.
    Yep, since the Cold War began if it can't be weaponized, they're not interested.

    What a disappointing read, the OP. But... it's not over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Congress wouldn't fund a super collider in the United States, even though one was proposed. And we usually give the Pentagon anything they want, so I don't think the Department of Defense really had high hopes for amazing new weapons from the Higgs boson, supersymmetry, or string theory.
    The US funded 10% of the LHC. War criminal Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

    The Higgs boson scam—fraudulent Physics by proxy

    As for the so-called 'Standard Model', of Particle Physics, it cannot explain why
    objects fall to the ground (how gravity works), or how Electricity works at atomic
    level—why an electric current produces a magnetic field—or even why a permanent
    magnet sticks to the 'fridge door.

    https://www.mauricecotterell.com/dow...s%20Boson2.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    The US funded 10% of the LHC. War criminal Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

    The Higgs boson scam—fraudulent Physics by proxy

    As for the so-called 'Standard Model', of Particle Physics, it cannot explain why
    objects fall to the ground (how gravity works), or how Electricity works at atomic
    level—why an electric current produces a magnetic field—or even why a permanent
    magnet sticks to the 'fridge door.

    https://www.mauricecotterell.com/dow...s%20Boson2.pdf
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