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    Default The philosophical implications of exponential growth

    If you could fold a piece of paper in half 50 times, how thick would it be?

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    About 112,000 kilometers, or more than half way to the Sun.

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    Default Why MAGA dumbasses were caught flat footed by the pandemic

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    Humans are woefully inept at intuitively grasping exponential growth functions. Laypersons as well as political decision makers grossly underestimate exponential growth, regardless of being presented with numerical, graphical or non-quantitative representations. At the same time, however, humans are overconfident despite their poor judgements. The so-called ‘exponential growth bias' is of new relevance in the context of COVID-19, because it explains why humans have fundamental difficulties to grasp the magnitude of a spreading epidemic.

    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...98/rsos.201574

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    "Humans are woefully inept at intuitively grasping exponential growth functions. At the same time, however, humans are overconfident despite their poor judgements."
    This is partially why Darth "61" Omar was incredulous that COVID hospitalizations and mortalities could easily run into the millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    It’s too sciencey
    Exponential growth is generally outside our everyday experience, and is difficult to mentally grasp in a tangible way beyond an abstract mathmatical concept.

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    Which is why it’s so important to trust the people who actually work all this stuff out


    The ones who just want to know the result for the edification for man kind


    Truth seekers


    There are idiots who attack the truth seekers as having ulterior motives


    They are often lead to that belief by someone who wants to fleece them

    And they are participating in their own fleecing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If you could fold a piece of paper in half 50 times, how thick would it be?

    what is the thickness of the paper ?
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    what is the thickness of the paper ?
    Just regular printer paper.

    Supposedly if you were able to fold it in half 109 times, it would be as thick as the observable universe, though I haven't seen the math verified on that particular example.

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    First fold doubles the thickness second fold doubles that thickness

    And on and on and on





    Kinda like the lies of Fox News and the thickness of its viewers brains on lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Just regular printer paper.

    Supposedly if you were able to fold it in half 109 times, it would be as thick as the observable universe, though I haven't seen the math verified on that particular example.
    not buying that.
    a ream of paper is 500 sheets and is < 2" thick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    not buying that.
    a ream of paper is 500 sheets and is < 2" thick
    That's thickness which increases linearly, not exponentially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    not buying that.
    a ream of paper is 500 sheets and is < 2" thick
    Wow


    Am I psychic?


    I answered him way before he showed he was confused


    Actually I realized some might kinda get a little distracted and not think it through enough to understand the example


    It’s a great one


    Every child has tried to fold a paper as many times as the could


    and realized how quickly it gets just to thick

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    If one sheet of paper is 0.1mm thick, and each fold doubles the collective thickness, the formula for 50 folds is 0.1 x 2 exponent 50. That should work out to 112 million km.

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