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There is no such thing as an 'energy system'. Buzzword fallacy.
Solar panels capture only a small amount of energy from the Sun. They are very expensive for what they do. Solar panels do not use energy. Solar panels only work during the day. They don't work at night.
Renewable sources of energy include sunlight, wind, natural gas, oil, hydroelectric (sun powered), wood, and possibly coal (no one really knows).
Energy doesn't have to be renewable.
You are advocating government manipulation of energy markets. That's fascism, dude.
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"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
You keep saying "the U.S.". Why do lib crackas always assume the world ends at U.S. borders. Don't be myopic.
I already gave you the evidence that nearly 80% of batteries are produced in China where coal is the main energy source.
27% is transportation of which maybe 11% are cars. EV's are not 100% green as the left claims. So you might reduce that 11 to 5% if all the world's cars were EVs. That's not going to happen anytime soon.
Solar and wind are not reliable sources of energy. You can't run a factory based on unreliable energy. Cracka libs know nothing about business.
Anyway, I'll ask again, ... by how many degrees will EVs change the global temp?
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
Into the Night (04-27-2022)
Who said the world ended at the borders of the US? Why do you resort to name calling rather than dealing with facts?
And I already provided you the numbers that show that even with the batteries being made in China with coal , they are still make an EV greener than an ICE car. And the average time for a EV in China to produce less GHG than an ICE car is still less than 80K miles since China is not 100% coal electricity. Using China electrical production and GREET, the average EV in China will produce less GHG at about 40K.I already gave you the evidence that nearly 80% of batteries are produced in China where coal is the main energy source.
Hmm... SO many lies in so few words.
27% is transportation of which maybe 11% are cars. EV's are not 100% green as the left claims. So you might reduce that 11 to 5% if all the world's cars were EVs. That's not going to happen anytime soon.
27% is transportation of which maybe 11% are cars. I'm not sure whether you don't understand English or you don't understand math with that statement.
1. 11% of GHG transportation is not cars. Over half of GHG from transportation in the US comes from passenger vehicles.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sou...-gas-emissions
The way you wrote your statement, it would mean that 11% of the 27% would be cars which would mean only 2.97% of GHG would come from cars.
2. The left doesn't claim EVs are 100% green. That is your strawman that you keep wanting to beat up on. It is a ridiculous argument on your part since the rest of your argument is an attempt to defeat my claim that they are greener, not that they are 100% green.
3. Your 11% number is made up as is your 5% number.
4. No one has said that all the vehicles in the world will be EV's in the next few years.
The sun comes up every morning. Easy to predict.Solar and wind are not reliable sources of energy. You can't run a factory based on unreliable energy. Cracka libs know nothing about business.
Coal and gas are not reliable sources of energy since the plants can fail at any time or the power grid can go down at any time. It makes as much sense as your argument.
Solar and wind can be predicted with a reasonable accuracy to allow for back up source to be used as needed.you are You are relying on idiotic fallacies to make your arguments. A reduction in GHG production is the goal. If solar and wind can produce 50% or 80% of the electricity that is is better than no solar and wind.
Idiotic question since the current goal is to prevent predicted future increases in temperature. The real question is how much will the temperature increase if we don't at least try to reduce GHG?
Anyway, I'll ask again, ... by how many degrees will EVs change the global temp?
Your argument is that if the brakes won't work well enough to stop us from hitting the brick wall then we shouldn't do anything. My argument is if we at least try to use the brakes so we won't hit the brick wall as hard as doing nothing.
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"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
Yes I have pointed it out many times to many people and frankly I just can't be bothered to argue with a fool like you. I will direct you instead to the great atmospheric scientist Richard Lindzen who stated the following back in a presentation to the House of Commons back in 2012.
Stated briefly, I will simply try to clarify what the debate over climate change is really about. It most certainly is not about whether climate is changing: it always is. It is not about whether CO2 is increasing: it clearly is. It is not about whether the increase in CO2, by itself, will lead to some warming: it should. The debate is simply over the matter of how much warming the increase in CO2 can lead to, and the connection of such warming to the innumerable claimed catastrophes. The evidence is that the increase in CO2 will lead to very little warming, and that the connection of this minimal warming (or even significant warming) to the purported catastrophes is also minimal. The arguments on which the catastrophic claims are made are extremely weak – and commonly acknowledged as such. They are sometimes overtly dishonest.
What about your prediction that Musk would get nowhere with his takeover bid, care to talk about that?
Last edited by cancel2 2022; 04-27-2022 at 10:17 AM.
Some countries are way ahead of America in electric vehicles. https://www.livemint.com/auto-news/g...745051665.html The rightys and energy companies will drag us down.
A couple of things there.
1. It is no longer 2012 and much of Lindzen's work has been debunked since then.
2. Musk supposedly has an agreed upon offer but his final financing and the purchase have not yet occurred. We shall see if it happens in the six month time frame. He claimed he was going to take Tesla private and we all know where that went. Stockholders still have to vote on the sale and Musk has to secure the financing and cash he has committed to providing. Margin loans can only occur if he meets the margin requirements required under Federal law.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
cancel2 2022 (04-27-2022)
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
You did.
Learn what 'fact' means. Buzzword fallacy.
Most EVs are available in white or black only. A lot more ICE cars are available in green.
There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas', except as a religious artifact. NO gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
Coal isn't electricity, though much electricity generated in China is by burning coal. China, being a dictatorship, does not burn coal cleanly. There is a lot of soot released into the air due to poorly built plants.
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Argument from randU fallacy. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
False authority fallacy. Making numbers is a fallacy, dude...even if the government does it. Argument from randU fallacy.
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
Yes they do.
Fallacy fallacy. Not a strawman.
RQAA. Most EVs are only available on black or white. A few in red. If you want a green car, you have a much better selection among ICE vehicles. If it's a tractor, there is only ONE color a lot of tractor owners swear by!
Argument from randU fallacy. Kettle logic.
You did.
Irrelevence fallacy. Cliche fallacy.
Generating electricity with coal or gas is efficient, cheap, and available 24 hours a day.
You want to go there? How about the solar plants that fail or the windmills that fail??
You are not making sense.
Nope. Wind is rather fickle. Only a narrow range of windspeeds are suitable for wind generators. Solar reliably doesn't work at night. Watt for watt, solar power is the most expensive method of producing electricity. Wind comes in at 2nd. Coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, and even nuclear are far cheaper methods.
Won't work. Not everyone has that kind of real estate to dedicate to such expensive systems. Try a generator.
Fallacy fallacy. Buzzword fallacy.
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are STILL ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
What increases in temperature? You cannot create energy out of nothing, dude. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
Can't reduce a religious artifact.
Cliche fallacy.
You cannot create energy out of nothing. No gas or vapor has this capability.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
If you want an EV. Go buy one. Don't expect me or anyone else to support buying it for you through subsidies. Enjoy your long charge times and expensive car.
If you want an ICE. Go buy one. Enjoy your short refueling times and cheaper car.
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
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