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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Former US national security adviser H.R. McMaster: 'I believe Ukraine can win the war'

    In an interview with FRANCE 24 on Monday, former US national security adviser and retired lieutenant general Herbert Raymond McMaster said that Ukraine can win the war with Russia, remarking that President Vladimir Putin had already lost the conflict in a sense by not winning outright.

    McMaster said the Russian military had proven to be a “Potemkin army” and said they would continue to face stiff resistance from Ukrainians backed by a united West.

    https://www.rawstory.com/former-us-n...n-win-the-war/
    If Ukraine can get the right weapons and can cut the Russian supply lins they may well force Russia to retreat and force a negotiated end to the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump betrayed the Kurds, and would have betrayed the Ukrainians.
    The US never could have been to remain in Iraq forever. Trump had the CIA in Ukraine training the Ukrainians Biden pulled them out of Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    If Ukraine can get the right weapons and can cut the Russian supply lins they may well force Russia to retreat and force a negotiated end to the war.
    I don't see Russia literally retreating from the battlefield. Russian dictators are nothing if not persistent. Stalin's war against Finland started out disastrously, but Stalin just wore the Finn's down.

    I suspect Putin will not negotiate from such a weak position -- he hasn't even captured a major Ukranian city yet. He might wait until his tactical position on the battlefield is stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    The US never could have been to remain in Iraq forever.
    The Kurds were betrayed in Syria. It was not a question of forever, but just keeping the Turks from killing them for a few months. Besides, the US is still in Syria. It was not a pull out, but merely a statement by trump that the Kurds could be killed by the Turks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump betrayed the Kurds, and would have betrayed the Ukrainians.
    He didnt betrayed anyone, he did the right thing by stopping helping the Marxist Leninist terror organization which is called "Kurds" by the operational Western media and by liar politicians that deliberately aim to misinform the public for their political ends.

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    I don't know if he's right, but Ben Hodges, former commander of the US Army in Europe, says that Ukraine will push back Russian forces back to the February 23 boundary line by the end of this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't know if he's right, but Ben Hodges, former commander of the US Army in Europe, says that Ukraine will push back Russian forces back to the February 23 boundary line by the end of this year.
    Sounds right. Ukraine has a bunch of Russians trapped on the wrong side of a river and they can't get resupplied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Sounds right. Ukraine has a bunch of Russians trapped on the wrong side of a river and they can't get resupplied.
    It seems like an optimistic projection to me,but the key is continuing NATO unity and flooding Ukraine with advanced weaponry and good Intel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Former US national security adviser H.R. McMaster: 'I believe Ukraine can win the war'

    In an interview with FRANCE 24 on Monday, former US national security adviser and retired lieutenant general Herbert Raymond McMaster said that Ukraine can win the war with Russia, remarking that President Vladimir Putin had already lost the conflict in a sense by not winning outright.

    McMaster said the Russian military had proven to be a “Potemkin army” and said they would continue to face stiff resistance from Ukrainians backed by a united West.

    https://www.rawstory.com/former-us-n...n-win-the-war/
    This was two weeks into the war, when the rest of us did not see what was to come yet. We realized the Russian offensive on Kyiv was not going as fast as we thought it would, but McMaster seemed very optimistic.

    Now we realize that McMaster is a very smart fellow. I can definitely see why trump fired him. trump hates smart, competent people, because they make him feel inadequate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't know if he's right, but Ben Hodges, former commander of the US Army in Europe, says that Ukraine will push back Russian forces back to the February 23 boundary line by the end of this year.
    If things continue as they are going, he will probably be right. If Putin can think up a way to change things... But he does seem to be trapped on a road to failure at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    If things continue as they are going, he will probably be right. If Putin can think up a way to change things... But he does seem to be trapped on a road to failure at the moment.
    Putin will never conquer and occupy Ukraine with what amounts to a peacetime Russian army. He actually thought Ukraine would just fold to his will. One of Vlad's only moves left is to order a full wartime mobilization of the Russian economy and institute a wartime military conscription. And that is a risk for him because he promised this was just a "special operation" which would be relatively painless to Russian civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Putin will never conquer and occupy Ukraine with what amounts to a peacetime Russian army. He actually thought Ukraine would just fold to his will. One of Vlad's only moves left is to order a full wartime mobilization of the Russian economy and institute a wartime military conscription. And that is a risk for him because he promised this was just a "special operation" which would be relatively painless to Russian civilians.
    You are right. Wartime mobilization would be a full on disaster for Putin. Defeat would be a disaster for Putin. I do not see a fork in the road to disaster for Putin. Maybe there is a way for Putin to avoid disaster, but I do not see it.
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    In a political sense, Ukraine has already won this war.

    In February 2022 Putin defined Russian victory as the conquest of Ukraine, the replacement of the government in Kyiv, and the demilitarization of Ukraine.

    Those objectives will never be achieved.

    Ukraine is too heavily armed to be conquered by Putin,
    Ukraine will remain independent and oriented towards Europe,
    Ukraine now has long term security guarantees from NATO,
    and NATO had committed to eventually inviting Ukraine into NATO.


    The only remaining question is whether Putin will be allowed to keep the thin sliver of land he now occupies along the shores of the Sea of Azov.

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    Ukraine had built up to being the largest military in Europe (if we are to accept that Ukraine is European), but the idea that they could beat Russia was always so out of touch with reality to be a likely lie.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Former US national security adviser H.R. McMaster: 'I believe Ukraine can win the war'

    In an interview with FRANCE 24 on Monday, former US national security adviser and retired lieutenant general Herbert Raymond McMaster said that Ukraine can win the war with Russia, remarking that President Vladimir Putin had already lost the conflict in a sense by not winning outright.

    McMaster said the Russian military had proven to be a “Potemkin army” and said they would continue to face stiff resistance from Ukrainians backed by a united West.

    https://www.rawstory.com/former-us-n...n-win-the-war/
    Putin wasn't trying to win outright.

    You can tell that by the small force he sent in.

    Less than a 10th of his military.

    He still hasn't committed more than that.

    His plan is to drain Ukraine of resources and force them to capitulate.

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