Bidens utter failure in Ukraine.....

[Walt]

I agree this is a lesson to China that invading a heavily armed Taiwan will be extremely painful, and possibly futile, especially with an American president that genuinely backs allies and associated democratic nations (aka, not Trump).

I wonder too if the Chinese military prowess has been overrated in the same way Russia's has

China has learned an important lesson from Russia's failure, that invading Taiwan would not be easy. They might change things 10 years from now, but right now it does not look possible. Even if they try to change things 10 years from now, they will not know if they were successful. The Chinese want certainties.

[Doc Dutch]

You never NEVER negotiate from a position of weakness,...not unless you want to get totally rolled like a fool. But that is exactly where we find ourselves now. Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now. He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...He can do whatever he wants.

He looked at the sanctions, laughed at them, and told us to go fuck ourselves and he would do as he wanted. THAT is the reality of it all. Now if we want him out of Ukraine we will have to give away the farm because he is already there with no reason to leave,...he is the one dealing from a position of strength. With China's full support I might add. So what is the answer? Go to war over it? Is that what you idiots want? The answer is we are FUCKED now. Its too late. We will have to bend over and give him everything he wants to get him out, all his wish list on a silver platter....if were lucky enuff to get him to take the deal at all. That......or go to WAR. A stronger better administration would have sorted this out well BEFORE the invasion happened. A smarter administration would have brokered a deal well ahead of time that would have been tolerable to all parties involved. But no,.....instead we get this total humiliation brought on by a bunch of fucking dummies running DC. Now live with. Nothing we can do now,... too late.

Wow. I can almost see the cum running down the corner of your mouth.

[Doc Dutch]

I agree this is a lesson to China that invading a heavily armed Taiwan will be extremely painful, and possibly futile, especially with an American president that genuinely backs allies and associated democratic nations (aka, not Trump).

I wonder too if the Chinese military prowess has been overrated in the same way Russia's has

China is smarter enough to intimidate but if they can't do that, then they'll buy Taiwan one square meter at a time. Wars are hugely destructive as both Russia and Ukraine know.

BTW, this is another thread that didn't travel well. LOL

[ExpressLane]

Last part first: The dummies are not running Washington right now. Trump was given a good ass-kicking; he and his bunch of know-nothing assholes are out on the street. Joe Biden and his people are now in charge. So you got that part wrong.

And as for the stuff before that...what the hell would you have considered better: For Trump to have helped Putin take over Ukraine...and lauded him instead of condemning him as Joe Biden has done???

What are you talking about here, Stone?

Severe TDS.

[Cypress]

China is smarter enough to intimidate but if they can't do that, then they'll buy Taiwan one square meter at a time. Wars are hugely destructive as both Russia and Ukraine know.

BTW, this is another thread that didn't travel well. LOL

The facts on the ground went almost 180 degrees the opposite direction of the prognostications in the OP.

[Doc Dutch]

The facts on the ground went almost 180 degrees the opposite direction of the prognostications in the OP.

Just like the OP's life. LOL

[martin]

You never NEVER negotiate from a position of weakness,...not unless you want to get totally rolled like a fool. But that is exactly where we find ourselves now. Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now. He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...He can do whatever he wants.

He looked at the sanctions, laughed at them, and told us to go fuck ourselves and he would do as he wanted. THAT is the reality of it all. Now if we want him out of Ukraine we will have to give away the farm because he is already there with no reason to leave,...he is the one dealing from a position of strength. With China's full support I might add. So what is the answer? Go to war over it? Is that what you idiots want? The answer is we are FUCKED now. Its too late. We will have to bend over and give him everything he wants to get him out, all his wish list on a silver platter....if were lucky enuff to get him to take the deal at all. That......or go to WAR. A stronger better administration would have sorted this out well BEFORE the invasion happened. A smarter administration would have brokered a deal well ahead of time that would have been tolerable to all parties involved. But no,.....instead we get this total humiliation brought on by a bunch of fucking dummies running DC. Now live with. Nothing we can do now,... too late.

"Brokered a deal" assumes there could have been a pre-invasion deal acceptable to Putin and acceptable to Ukraine. If you're making an argument based on that assumption you need to say what that deal could have been. You not only fail to say it you fail to say anything. Instead, a childish spout.

[gemini104104]

You never NEVER negotiate from a position of weakness,...not unless you want to get totally rolled like a fool. But that is exactly where we find ourselves now. Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now. He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...He can do whatever he wants.

He looked at the sanctions, laughed at them, and told us to go fuck ourselves and he would do as he wanted. THAT is the reality of it all. Now if we want him out of Ukraine we will have to give away the farm because he is already there with no reason to leave,...he is the one dealing from a position of strength. With China's full support I might add. So what is the answer? Go to war over it? Is that what you idiots want? The answer is we are FUCKED now. Its too late. We will have to bend over and give him everything he wants to get him out, all his wish list on a silver platter....if were lucky enuff to get him to take the deal at all. That......or go to WAR. A stronger better administration would have sorted this out well BEFORE the invasion happened. A smarter administration would have brokered a deal well ahead of time that would have been tolerable to all parties involved. But no,.....instead we get this total humiliation brought on by a bunch of fucking dummies running DC. Now live with. Nothing we can do now,... too late.

You fucking fool at projecting atrocities of Russia on President Biden as you should direct your complaint toward the following facts:

Putin Loses Faith in Top Generals Following High-Profile Failures in Ukraine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...73585476f5b3d8

The massive courage of the U.S. and foreign allies arising to the occasion at dealing with this Russian invasion of a sovereign nation of the Ukraine as an unprovoked war is indeed awesome:

Opening Statement to Senate Foreign Relations Committee: “U.S. Efforts to Support Ukraine Against Russian Aggression”

Good morning, Chairman Menendez, Ranking Member Risch, and distinguished members of the Committee. It is an honor to be back in the presence of the Committee for another hearing on security assistance, this time for a discussion focused on United States security assistance to Ukraine. I am pleased to be here alongside Assistant Secretary Donfried, Ambassador Van Schaack, and Assistant Administrator McKee.

It was less than two months ago that I sat before the Committee and spoke about security assistance as an instrument of foreign policy. As we focus today on Ukraine, I am proud to say that the security assistance we have provided has served our foreign policy objectives to support Ukraine’s ability to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity and to stand against Russia’s brutal and unprovoked assault. And we are all in awe of the remarkable courage of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian people as they push back on Russia’s unforgiveable assault. And I want to thank Congress, we could not have provided the weapons Ukraine needs to defend itself without your support.

There is simply no justification or provocation for Russia’s war. It is nothing less than a direct challenge to the rules-based international order established since the end of World War II. And the Russian attack threatens to return us to decades of war like those that ravaged Europe in the 20th Century."

https://www.state.gov/opening-statem...an-aggression/

[AProudLefty]

You never NEVER negotiate from a position of weakness,...not unless you want to get totally rolled like a fool. But that is exactly where we find ourselves now. Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now. He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...He can do whatever he wants.

He looked at the sanctions, laughed at them, and told us to go fuck ourselves and he would do as he wanted. THAT is the reality of it all. Now if we want him out of Ukraine we will have to give away the farm because he is already there with no reason to leave,...he is the one dealing from a position of strength. With China's full support I might add. So what is the answer? Go to war over it? Is that what you idiots want? The answer is we are FUCKED now. Its too late. We will have to bend over and give him everything he wants to get him out, all his wish list on a silver platter....if were lucky enuff to get him to take the deal at all. That......or go to WAR. A stronger better administration would have sorted this out well BEFORE the invasion happened. A smarter administration would have brokered a deal well ahead of time that would have been tolerable to all parties involved. But no,.....instead we get this total humiliation brought on by a bunch of fucking dummies running DC. Now live with. Nothing we can do now,... too late.

Epic fail, Putin's lover.

[moon]

What is Biden doing interfering with UKrainian affairs ? Ukraine isn't in NATO and it's a long, long way from Washington.

Yanqui, go home. The world has witnessed enough US foreign clustercfucks.

[Cypress]

Whats wrong in my post. Point it out and show FACTS to disprove it.

Do you really want to stand by this assessment? -->

Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now.

He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally.

If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...

He can do whatever he wants.

[moon]

Do you really want to stand by this assessment? -->

Says the wanker whose claims of Russian defeat already have littered the forum for weeks.

You might well be headed for Humiliation Corner along with the Brit maggot.

[Cypress]

Says the wanker whose claims of Russian defeat already have littered the forum for weeks.

You might well be headed for Humiliation Corner along with the Brit maggot.

Oh, you thought you would try to parachute in and rescue your MAGA boyfriend Stone

[Cypress]

Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now.

He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to.

Hey can do whatever he wants.

we are FUCKED now. Now live with it.

Nothing we can do now,... too late.

NATO is larger, stronger, and more unified than anytime in it's history.

Ukraine, a second rate European nation, has fought a world military superpower to a standstill.

It will take years to rebuild the Russian army, and rather than weaken NATO, Putin has strengthened NATO.

[Hawkeye10]

NATO is larger, stronger, and more unified than anytime in it's history.

Ukraine, a second rate European nation, has fought a world military superpower to a standstill.

Europe is fucked.....following the US is the cause.