How the Ukraine situation should end.

[Nordberg]

Putin is not even able to pay or arm the troops.

[Lightbringer]

Donbass gets folded back into the Russian Federation. New lines are drawn. Ukraine signs agreement to remain neutral with the promise of never becoming a NATO country but also remaining free and independent of Russian federation. ALL Russian troops withdraw from Ukraine immediately with "token" reparations paid to Ukraine to go towards rebuilding damage from invasion. Balance to be paid by UN, IMF, and Ukraine itself. This is actually what SHOULD have happened before a single shot was fired BTW....

I disagree. The way this ends is the Ukraine ceasing to exist.

[PostmodernProphet]

I disagree. The way this ends is the Ukraine ceasing to exist.

I suspect Biden will surrender Ukraine to Putin.......

[moon]

I suspect Biden will surrender Ukraine to Putin.......

There would then be a pro-Russian Ukrainian government- which is where we were before the US-led coup against the last one.

[PostmodernProphet]

There would then be a pro-Russian Ukrainian government- which is where we were before the US-led coup against the last one.

Moon and Putin will be thrilled with Biden's surrender.......

[moon]

Moon and Putin will be thrilled with Biden's surrender.......

It's the preferred outcome for intelligent observers.

Europe is freezing, Africa is hungry and the US is trillions in debt. Next up is nuclear war. Get real.

[PostmodernProphet]

It's the preferred outcome for intelligent observers.
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oh for sure, you and Putin are the only intelligent observers.......

[moon]

oh for sure, you and Putin are the only intelligent observers.......

There are billions of us. Get your wallet out.

[PostmodernProphet]

There are billions of us. Get your wallet out.

you keep your wallet in your tent?......

[anonymoose]

There would then be a pro-Russian Ukrainian government- which is where we were before the US-led coup against the last one.

What?!?! The U.S. didn’t lead the coup, insinuating we caused it. We gave misguided moral support for it.

It wasn’t that simple. But Ukraine did have advantages being pro-Russian. The country was a basket case with all their corruption.

[Nordberg]

What?!?! The U.S. didn’t lead the coup, insinuating we caused it. We gave misguided moral support for it.

It wasn’t that simple. But Ukraine did have advantages being pro-Russian. The country was a basket case with all their corruption.

Russia is the poster boy of government corruption. It is run by a dictator and incredibly wealthy oligarchs. Putin was one of Cyprus banks presidents and it was the laundering bank for Russia.

[anonymoose]

Russia is the poster boy of government corruption. It is run by a dictator and incredibly wealthy oligarchs. Putin was one of Cyprus banks presidents and it was the laundering bank for Russia.

I know. Uk as a country was in an almost impossible position in 2014. Moderate Uk nationalists wanted a western turn to democracy. Right wing extremists used their protests as a pretext for the coup. Putin offered Uk cheap gas for use of Sevastopol as a port and guarantees of protection for Russians in Donbas.
Both Minsk Accords failed.
The country has been a festering powder keg for a while.
It would have been best for the Ukrainians to sort it out for themselves but as usual neither Russia or the U.S. would stay out of it. Victoria Nuland, an extremist neocon in Obama’s State Dept. was right in the middle of it, egging on the the far right Svoboda Party with the notorious war pig, John McCain standing shoulder to shoulder with their fascist leader.
The EU was not eager to get involved.

[Phoenyx]

I know. Uk as a country was in an almost impossible position in 2014. Moderate Uk nationalists wanted a western turn to democracy. Right wing extremists used their protests as a pretext for the coup. Putin offered Uk cheap gas for use of Sevastopol as a port and guarantees of protection for Russians in Donbas.
Both Minsk Accords failed.
The country has been a festering powder keg for a while.
It would have been best for the Ukrainians to sort it out for themselves but as usual neither Russia or the U.S. would stay out of it. Victoria Nuland, an extremist neocon in Obama’s State Dept. was right in the middle of it, egging on the the far right Svoboda Party with the notorious war pig, John McCain standing shoulder to shoulder with their fascist leader.
The EU was not eager to get involved.

A lot of good points, but there's one that you're missing, namely that Ukraine had started a major offensive against the Donbass Republics mere days before Putin decided to start his military operation. I personally believe that this was the main reason that Putin started the operation when he did. Former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud wrote an article I thought was truly eye opening in regards to this. I made a thread about it here:

Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative | justplainpolitics.com

[moon]

What?!?! The U.S. didn’t lead the coup, insinuating we caused it. We gave misguided moral support for it.

Sure. Like we're just giving moral support right now.

[Lightbringer]

What?!?! The U.S. didn’t lead the coup, insinuating we caused it. We gave misguided moral support for it.

It wasn’t that simple. But Ukraine did have advantages being pro-Russian. The country was a basket case with all their corruption.

Yeah, we did. It's time for people to consider that we may be the bad guys.