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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Thanks for this great analysis. Of course I say that because 1) it's true, and 2) I tend to agree although I fully concede that you know a LOT more about this region than the rest of us.

    All out war, or even "incursions" followed by U.S. and NATO economic sanctions would cripple Russia. Like the rest of us they're reeling from supply shortages, inflation, the pandemic, etc. Oil runs their economy. If they shut off the tap... meh for us and our allies. It would royally screw THEM over though.
    I think you are right.

    Crimea was a bit of a domestic political win for Putin, because Crimea was historically Russian, and Russians have emotional connections to Crimea.

    As to ordering a full blown invasion of Ukraine, and occupying it, I don't think you average Russians sees a need to have a conventional war against their little Slavic brothers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I could be wrong. Churchill said Russia was an enigma
    Times change. Churchill was about as close to the Russian Revolution when he said that in 1939 as we are to 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Times change. Churchill was about as close to the Russian Revolution when he said that in 1939 as we are to 9/11.
    You're right.

    I actually don't believe that caricature about Russia being an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

    Russia is an enormous and complicated country, but it can be understood by proper historical analysis, deep reflection, and by the willpower to leave preconceptions and stereotypes by the wayside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You're right.

    I actually don't believe that caricature about Russia being an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

    Russia is an enormous and complicated country, but it can be understood by proper historical analysis, deep reflection, and by the willpower to leave preconceptions and stereotypes by the wayside.
    Agreed. Part of it can be seen by the fact Russia has less than half the US population while being over half again as large as the US: https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/coun.../united-states

    Quality of Life differences:
    https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/comp.../united-states

    In many ways, Russia is still a maturing nation.

    https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/imag...300c0b6148.jpg
    http://www.ontrack-media.net/worldge...m3l2image3.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Most Rightwingers acquired their knowledge of Russia and Russian strategic goals from watching the cult classic Red Dawn.

    My predictions on the Ukraine situation >

    1). Less than one percent chance of open war between Russia and USA, despite the alarmists pooping their diapers.

    2). Zero percent chance Biden sends American forces into Ukraine. He has openly said as much.

    3). Less than a three percent chance Russia launches a full scale invasion of Ukraine, with the goal of capturing Kiev and occupying the country.

    Putin is not that stupid. A full scale invasion imposes enormous military and economic costs on Russia. Ukraine is not Chechnya, Georgia, or Moldava. Ukraine is a large country with a substantial military, capable of inflicting significant damage. Western economic sanctions would dwarf those seen after Crimea.

    There is no significant domestic political victory Putin earns with a conquest of Ukraine. Most Russians consider Ukraine to be their little Slavic brothers; waging war on them is not something garden variety Russians want. It is not the same as fighting the "dirty" Muslim terrorists in Chechnya. A conquest of Ukraine is not a substantial domestic political win for Putin justifying the costs incurred.

    4). Better than 50 percent chance Putin will order border incursions, asymmetric warfare, limited military strikes to destabilize Ukraine, test western resolve, and support ethnic Russian populations in border regions of Ukraine.


    For diaper-poopers, I present a trailer from the rightwing classic, Red Dawn
    Great Movie! Couldn't care less about the Ukraine. Nope, do not want war, let them figure it out. protect innocent civilians that is all!

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    better movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Good movie. Fuck the ratings.
    Original or the remake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Original or the remake?
    Original. Rarely are remakes better than the original and that's especially true of Red Dawn.
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    The Soviet Union lost over 20 million of its citizens in WWII or what is called the great patriotic war , they are sensitive of being surrounded by NATO

    I am thankful to the Red Army

    On January 27, 1945, Soviet troops enter Auschwitz, Poland, freeing the survivors of the network of concentration camps—and finally revealing to the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Great Movie! Couldn't care less about the Ukraine. Nope, do not want war, let them figure it out. protect innocent civilians that is all!
    We should always care when nations engage in unprovoked military invasions of their neighbors.

    Otherwise, we might as well rip up all the international treaties we painstakingly negotiated, and just live by the law of the jungle -- might makes right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Most Rightwingers acquired their knowledge of Russia and Russian strategic goals from watching the cult classic Red Dawn.

    My predictions on the Ukraine situation >

    1). Less than one percent chance of open war between Russia and USA, despite the alarmists pooping their diapers.

    2). Zero percent chance Biden sends American forces into Ukraine. He has openly said as much.

    3). Less than a three percent chance Russia launches a full scale invasion of Ukraine, with the goal of capturing Kiev and occupying the country.

    Putin is not that stupid. A full scale invasion imposes enormous military and economic costs on Russia. Ukraine is not Chechnya, Georgia, or Moldava. Ukraine is a large country with a substantial military, capable of inflicting significant damage. Western economic sanctions would dwarf those seen after Crimea.

    There is no significant domestic political victory Putin earns with a conquest of Ukraine. Most Russians consider Ukraine to be their little Slavic brothers; waging war on them is not something garden variety Russians want. It is not the same as fighting the "dirty" Muslim terrorists in Chechnya. A conquest of Ukraine is not a substantial domestic political win for Putin justifying the costs incurred.

    4). Better than 50 percent chance Putin will order border incursions, asymmetric warfare, limited military strikes to destabilize Ukraine, test western resolve, and support ethnic Russian populations in border regions of Ukraine.

    I agree if any thing it would be a "minor incursion" as Biden says. Putin doesnt want an occupation.
    But the Russiaphobes are screaming otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Original or the remake?
    Original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    The Soviet Union lost over 20 million of its citizens in WWII or what is called the great patriotic war , they are sensitive of being surrounded by NATO

    I am thankful to the Red Army

    On January 27, 1945, Soviet troops enter Auschwitz, Poland, freeing the survivors of the network of concentration camps—and finally revealing to the world
    Then they sent the Jews to Siberia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I agree if any thing it would be a "minor incursion" as Biden says. Putin doesnt want an occupation.
    But the Russiaphobes are screaming otherwise
    What about you Russophiles? Do you spit out Putin's cock long enough to scream too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Like space aliens always wanting to land in the desert of New Mexico.
    You would think the military objective of Russian airborne forces would be to secure brides, key transportation networks, strategic choke points, instead of attacking a high school and slaughtering the children.

    But this was the era of Reagan's Evil Empire, so a high school massacre just made for good Kabuki theater.

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