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    Why give it to someone who refuses to take the rejection medication?


    It would be the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Yes, it is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. The rest of us are fine, for the time being. Obviously, things could get worse at any time.

    That being said, it certainly is higher than 1% chance of death for someone getting a heart transplant. They will have many health problems, and be taking drugs to suppress their immune system. Let's say he has a 50% chance of dying from Covid, a 95% drop would mean a 2.5% chance. That is a huge difference. If we want to give any patient a heart, it would be the one with a 2.5% chance of dying from Covid, not a 50% chance.

    One thing that might be throwing off the statistics here is that people stupid enough not to get vaccinated are making other health mistakes. These are the people honestly arguing that smoking does not cause cancer, and that seatbelts are dangerous. How much of the death is not getting vaccinated, and how much is the myriad of other bad decisions? We will be studying that for decades to come.
    Except with Delta and Omicron, the vaccinated caught cases at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. Yes, the cases were generally milder, but that doesn't speak well of the vaccine's effectiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Except with Delta and Omicron, the vaccinated caught cases at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. Yes, the cases were generally milder, but that doesn't speak well of the vaccine's effectiveness.
    If you believe that, you should give him a transplant. The only problem with that is you have no idea how to do a heart transplant, and none of the resources to even start.

    The people who are actual medical experts are looking at studies that say the vaccine reduces contagion by about 50%, and reduces death by between 90 and 95%. When they have to decide who to give a limited heart to, they will pick someone who is vaccinated, and much more likely to survive the whole process.

    It goes beyond just the higher risk of being unvaccinated. If he is making terrible health decisions in one area, he is certainly making them in other areas.

    These are the hard realities of life. If I am the first person to explain them to you, let me tell you how sorry I am you had to learn them in this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    If he off the top refuses to follow the medical recommendations


    He takes himself off the list
    If there were more than enough hearts for everyone, we would not have to take him off the list. He could be given a heart, refuse to take his medication, reject the heart, and just move on. But there are a limited number of hearts to transplant, and they do not want to lose one to stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    If you believe that, you should give him a transplant. The only problem with that is you have no idea how to do a heart transplant, and none of the resources to even start.

    The people who are actual medical experts are looking at studies that say the vaccine reduces contagion by about 50%, and reduces death by between 90 and 95%. When they have to decide who to give a limited heart to, they will pick someone who is vaccinated, and much more likely to survive the whole process.

    It goes beyond just the higher risk of being unvaccinated. If he is making terrible health decisions in one area, he is certainly making them in other areas.

    These are the hard realities of life. If I am the first person to explain them to you, let me tell you how sorry I am you had to learn them in this way.
    Mount Stupid and the Dunning-Kruger Effect are in full swing when it comes to non-medical "experts" dictating to the medical experts on what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    D.J. Ferguson, a 31-year-old man, is fighting for his life at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. Ferguson has been hospitalized since November when his lungs started filling with blood and fluid due to a hereditary heart issue. He desperately needs a heart transplant. The good news had been that he was first on the transplant list. But then he refused to get the COVID vaccine, and hospital policy mandated his removal. The policy exists because the shortage of available hearts, and all other organs for that matter, means transplants are reserved for those patients most likely to survive the operation. As a transplant requires immunosuppressive drugs to reduce the chances of rejection, it raises the odds you will get COVID. And if you get COVID, it increases the likelihood you will die from the disease. Dr. Arthur Caplan, head of Medical Ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, explains.

    “Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”

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    the MAGA's are determined to die.............as I suspected, a Death Cult
    This is an embarrassment you repugnant, bottom feeding, sewer dwelling dumbass. Letting people die over a shot that doesn't even prevent the transmission or spread? This is how low we have sunk as a society under Democratic hegemony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I think that baby is worth a couple of shots. I’d want to live.
    Why should he be forced to die? That's moronic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Evolution in action.
    ^Neanderthal thinks he's evolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Daddy is cray-cray.
    Wrong. A system who lets someone die over a shot that doesn't prevent anything is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why should he be forced to die? That's moronic.
    No one is forcing him to die



    All he has to do is follow the medical advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggy View Post
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    "Mentally I am not ready to share this update with everyone as we are still trying to process and accept this. But I feel that it's only fair to keep our friends and family in the loop considering the severity of this situation. After almost 50 days in the hospital with no answers, DJ was finally seen by some of the best cardiac specialists last week. After running countless tests and scans we learned that DJ is now in severe end stage heart failure, meaning that he is going to need a heart transplant to live. On top of the heart failure his heart is extremely swollen and dilated. Which puts him at high risk of cardiac arrest etc. The good news is that he went through all the testing to be put on the transplant list and passed with flying colors since he's young and healthy aside from the heart failure. With that being said he was accepted to be a candidate for heart transplant. The bad news is that the transplant board will not actively list him due to his vaccination status. Now I know this is a touchy subject for everyone, but let me explain this for the people that don't understand the issue with this. The vaccine typically causes swelling in the heart (usually temporary for most people no big deal right?) But in DJs case he can NOT afford for his heart to swell any more than it already is right now. He is at extremely high risk of sudden death if it does. We have had many conversations with the doctors, who confirmed that his heart COULD swell and go into severe crisis but they can't guarantee anything and it's a choice we will have to make if he wants to be listed. Two nights ago DJs vitals started to crash out of no where and they had to insert an emergency heart pump. This pump is essentially assisting his heart to pump 24/7 but it's usually only effective for about two weeks. When you're on this particular heart pump it pushes you to the top of the transplant list. Which we currently are not active on. Today DJs heart went into another serious episode and his labs are showing the beginning signs of cardiac shock. On Tuesday he will be getting an emergency open heart surgery to have an LVAD pump put in- this is the soonest they can get him into the OR. This pump will mechanically pump his heart until a donor heart becomes available. These pumps are used in temporary measures until someone is able to get a transplant and there's no saying how long it will last because it's different for everyone. We are literally in a corner right now. This is extremely time sensitive. We're being pressured to choose a shot that could kill him. This is not just a political issue. People need to have a choice! People need to realize that there ARE others out there that are at high risk while receiving this shot, and it COULD kill them. Unless you've been in this exact situation, your opinions are irrelevant. Please have some respect for my family. 60 days ago we were under the impression that DJ had pneumonia, and now he's desperately in need of a heart transplant. We are devastated. We can't even process this. I haven't even found the courage to sit down with my son and explain what is happening to his father. I can not even start to describe the pain we are all going through. Lastly, I want to add that despite the decision of the transplant board, he is in the best place possible. His nurses and doctors have been nothing but compassionate and amazing to him. Please keep him in your thoughts as he undergoes this first open heart surgery. The recovery from this pump is brutal and it's going to be life changing physically and emotionally. We are all rooting for you. You've got this❤"

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    So let me understand this story better, he doesn't have Covid, just not taken the shots?
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    The actual logical fallacy here is that the Fauci plague vaccine and getting this operation are somehow inclusive. That is, you must have the vaccine to get the operation.

    There is no logical reason for someone to need the vaccine to get a transplant. It is possible either way you could contract Fauci plague during recovery. Having the vaccine doesn't prevent that. Yes, the vaccine likely would reduce the severity of the symptoms, but that too is arguably problematic. Given your weakened state, you are likely to get a severe case either way.

    So, demanding one be vaccinated is ridiculous on its face. Get it if you want, don't if you don't. But that shouldn't be a reason for denial of other medical services. To introduce the slippery slope, you go to an emergency room because you have a fractured leg. The emergency room refuses to treat your fractured leg because you aren't vaccinated against Fauci plague, which you don't have. Really, it's the same argument being made here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Two words: Trump Tents.
    half-wit
    noun

    \ ˈhaf-ˌwit , ˈhäf- \
    : a foolish or stupid person


    mental case
    noun
    : a crazy person
    That guy is a complete mental case.
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