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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you're dumb. not worth it
    Really?

    Plato, to take just one on your list, wanted a dictatorship of vitrue. He advocated for an absolute monarchy and a form of socialist state in which there would be three classes of citizen:

    Guardians. Today, these might be called something like "Party members" or the "Central Committee."
    Military. Obvious
    Producers. Basically everybody else who kowtow to the Guardians who use the military to enforce their will.

    His objective was to create a Utopia by the leadership guiding the citizenry to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Really?

    Plato, to take just one on your list, wanted a dictatorship of vitrue. He advocated for an absolute monarchy and a form of socialist state in which there would be three classes of citizen:

    Guardians. Today, these might be called something like "Party members" or the "Central Committee."
    Military. Obvious
    Producers. Basically everybody else who kowtow to the Guardians who use the military to enforce their will.

    His objective was to create a Utopia by the leadership guiding the citizenry to it.
    No, you never read Plato; he never said that. Don't bullshit me.

    And, my god, reading someone does not mean you agree with everything. How fucking childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    slavery evolved into feudalism
    feudalism evolved into capitalism
    capitalism devolved into imperialism

    When a system refuses to evolve it dies. We're witnessing the death of capitalism. There are protests going on all over the world and the capitalist solution is lockdowns and militarized police. Marx told us that we deserve better and young folk are demanding change.
    You are conflating economics with political systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    No, you never read Plato; he never said that. Don't bullshit me.

    And, my god, reading someone does not mean you agree with everything. How fucking childish.
    Maybe you should read his ideas then:

    http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream...21089/1/10.pdf

    Here's the 'Cliff Notes' version:

    https://skillavid.com/plato-politica...f%20Government

    Best form of Government
    According to Plato, the best form of government is ‘absolute monarchy.’ He opposes democracy since ignorant and incompetent politicians can create political instability by their misdeeds.
    Even the most basic source says I'm correct:

    Plato's political philosophy has been the subject of much criticism. In Plato's Republic, Socrates is highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings. Plato's political philosophy has thus often been considered totalitarian by some
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%...cal_philosophy

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Maybe you should read his ideas then:

    http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream...21089/1/10.pdf

    Here's the 'Cliff Notes' version:

    https://skillavid.com/plato-politica...f%20Government



    Even the most basic source says I'm correct:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%...cal_philosophy
    I have read and studied the Republic, Phaedo, Apology, Theaetetus, Parmenides, Sophist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I have read and studied the Republic, Phaedo, Apology, Theaetetus, Parmenides, Sophist.
    Then you obviously didn't understand a word of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Then you obviously didn't understand a word of it.
    go kill yourself. you're worthless

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You are conflating economics with political systems.
    Politicians do what their "capitalist" owners tell them to do. Pfizer CEO made a fortune over the past 10 months on vaccine policy while countless small businesses were forced to close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    slavery evolved into feudalism
    feudalism evolved into capitalism
    capitalism devolved into imperialism

    When a system refuses to evolve it dies. We're witnessing the death of capitalism. There are protests going on all over the world and the capitalist solution is lockdowns and militarized police. Marx told us that we deserve better and young folk are demanding change.
    you're typing nonsense.

    the technocratic new world order you seek has failed, all because you're an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Politicians do what their "capitalist" owners tell them to do. Pfizer CEO made a fortune over the past 10 months on vaccine policy while countless small businesses were forced to close.
    see, this is fascism and corrupt crony capitalism.

    capitalism can be saved with trust busting, reasonable trade policies, currency reform, and just general common sense.

    we can have capitalism without allowing insane oligarchs to drive society off a cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you're dumb. not worth it
    just admit you're a totalitarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you're typing nonsense.

    the technocratic new world order you seek has failed, all because you're an idiot.
    I read the first volume of Capital by Marx so you're trying to shoot the messenger. Marxism is about the unification of class, gender and race for a common goal, which is worker owned production. A corporation can't move to China because the workers get a vote on the decision making. Marxism is a company or community democracy that won't allow the one vote of a CEO and his toadies on the board of directors to destroy a town to save a few bucks by offshoring.

    Marxism is a lot like that movie Tommy Boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    I read the first volume of Capital by Marx so you're trying to shoot the messenger. Marxism is about the unification of class, gender and race for a common goal, which is worker owned production. A corporation can't move to China because the workers get a vote on the decision making. Marxism is a company or community democracy that won't allow the one vote of a CEO and his toadies on the board of directors to destroy a town to save a few bucks by offshoring.

    Marxism is a lot like that movie Tommy Boy.
    marxism is about centralizing power and sustaining a party elite.

    it's a cynical abstraction of base tribalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I have read and studied the Republic, Phaedo, Apology, Theaetetus, Parmenides, Sophist.
    you're the sophist here, word salad boy.

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