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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    While I do not support the idea that a person can demand another to hire them, I also don't support the idea that an employer can force people to work.
    Forcing people to work for you is called slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    McGinnis has not ruled that. In fact, he ruled there was enough chance of a "poaching" charge to stick that he was willing to sign an injunction. He backed off that after a few days, but that is a major hurdle... ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING "POACHING" IS NOT ACTUALLY A CRIME. Now collusion and price setting are real crimes. McGinnis called on employers to set wages in secret meetings, which is unbelievably anti-market. The employees want to work. Their new employer wants to employ them. Their old employer employed them at will, and refused to pay them a going rate. Where is the problem? The judge is the only problem here. McGinnis did this to them. A judge ordering people not to be allowed to work, in order to try to have employers set prices through collusion.
    So you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so you admit your thread fail.....sorry I let you waste my time...
    Poor Salty Walty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Forcing people to work for you is called slavery.
    There's also indentured servitude, a voluntary slavery. Since that's not what they agreed to due, you're right, it's just servitude AKA slavery.

    https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetec...nts-in-the-us/
    Indentured servants first arrived in America in the decade following the settlement of Jamestown by the Virginia Company in 1607.

    The idea of indentured servitude was born of a need for cheap labor. The earliest settlers soon realized that they had lots of land to care for, but no one to care for it. With passage to the Colonies expensive for all but the wealthy, the Virginia Company developed the system of indentured servitude to attract workers. Indentured servants became vital to the colonial economy.

    The timing of the Virginia colony was ideal. The Thirty Year's War had left Europe's economy depressed, and many skilled and unskilled laborers were without work. A new life in the New World offered a glimmer of hope; this explains how one-half to two-thirds of the immigrants who came to the American colonies arrived as indentured servants.

    Servants typically worked four to seven years in exchange for passage, room, board, lodging and freedom dues. While the life of an indentured servant was harsh and restrictive, it wasn't slavery. There were laws that protected some of their rights. But their life was not an easy one, and the punishments meted out to people who wronged were harsher than those for non-servants. An indentured servant's contract could be extended as punishment for breaking a law, such as running away, or in the case of female servants, becoming pregnant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Fun fact: McGinnis ran unopposed to retain his seat in Outagamie County, Wisconsin, where the county executive is a DEMOCRAT. What are the odds?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nelson_(Wisconsin_politician)
    We have learned something new about both McGinnis and Nelson. Nelson hired Duane McCreary to investigate McGinnis back in 2018, and has been trying to get rid of McGinnis ever since. McGinnis has been known for misusing truancy court. He curses at children, refuses to allow children to defend themselves against charges, and makes up fake laws. Oh, and McGinnis is quite definitely a Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We have learned something new about both McGinnis and Nelson. Nelson hired Duane McCreary to investigate McGinnis back in 2018, and has been trying to get rid of McGinnis ever since. McGinnis has been known for misusing truancy court. He curses at children, refuses to allow children to defend themselves against charges, and makes up fake laws. Oh, and McGinnis is quite definitely a Republican.
    Is that so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Forcing people to work for you is called slavery.
    Who was forced to work for ThedaCare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Forcing people to work for you is called slavery.
    if that ever happens you should start a thread about it........
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall
    no it works both ways. the employer can wake up and find that his employee quits with no notice - it's the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    So you say.
    Offering someone a better salary is not a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    slaves!!!!!!.its how racist white american men operate
    Absolutely. We have 19 of them out back. We do provide them some food though, as long as they have put in a good hard days work. Otherwise its......No work= No eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    There's also indentured servitude, a voluntary slavery. Since that's not what they agreed to due, you're right, it's just servitude AKA slavery.
    Non compete clauses always felt a little like indentured servitude to me. They are restricted, but those restrictions are getting looser and looser. There are actually fast food workers working for minimum wage being required to sign non compete clauses... That is just not right.

    Biden has ordered an investigation of where non compete clauses are. He is not moving on it yet, but working out how to move on it.

    These people did not sign a non compete clause, but some judge decided they might as well have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Matt and I agree. If an employer cannot keep their employees, they should not be allowed to turn to the courts to force people to work for them.
    This is precisely what I addressed in the thread about Democrats not caring about the working class.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Offering someone a better salary is not a crime.
    Nobody said it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Who was forced to work for ThedaCare?
    Excessive non compete clauses have been found to be a violation of the 13th Amendment, and basically slavery.

    A judge literally ruled that if these workers want to earn a living, they have to work for ThedaCare. He then openly admitted that it was all part of a scheme to force employers to work out what salaries to let people get. It is an attempt to ban market forces from working in favor of employees.

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