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    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall

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    That's almost as bad as firing someone because they won't share their medical history with a third-party company who is free to share it with others at will.

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    Just to be clear, the judge lifted the restraining order today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    That's almost as bad as firing someone because they won't share their medical history with a third-party company who is free to share it with others at will.
    The post was not about at will firing, but actually about people who are at will fireable not being allowed to quit at will.

    We are becoming a country where employers can fire you at will, but you are not allowed to quit at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall
    slaves!!!!!!.its how racist white american men operate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall
    most companies are at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    slaves!!!!!!.its how racist white american men operate
    We are certainly moving in that direction.

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    When I was in my 20's, I came to work to find they had laid off the entire team of a dozen or so people. They kept us all day filling out forms and reports, and towards the end of the day, I was quietly told that they wanted to "offer me a new job". I was young, [comparatively] cheap, and highly productive, so I understood they would not want to let me go.

    I almost took it when we all realized they were not going to pay us for the day we stayed there. They claimed that because we were "officially fired" first thing in the morning, the whole day was free to them. I realized I did not want to work for a place that would steal salary from me, so they decided to prove me right by never giving me my final paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The post was not about at will firing, but actually about people who are at will fireable not being allowed to quit at will.
    Wait, people aren't allowed to quit?

    That's odd, because Mark McGinnis only granted a temporary order, and then he lifted it.

    From your source: Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    Over the weekend, the workers were in limbo. Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    On Monday, after a hearing at which some of the workers were scheduled to testify, McGinnis lifted the injunction, leaving the workers free to take up their new posts.

    In issuing the injunction Friday, McGinnis had acknowledged that keeping the seven workers off duty is far from ideal. "To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

    He asked the two employers to work out a deal between themselves, but that didn't happen.

    The conflict involved seven members of an 11-member cardiovascular team providing urgent care to stroke victims at ThedaCare Regional Medical Center in Neenah, Wis., about an hour south of Green Bay.

    ThedaCare says that when the workers, who include technicians and nurses, all took jobs at nearby St. Elizabeth Hospital, that impaired its ability to provide round-the-clock care for stroke patients, who might have to be transferred to hospitals in Green Bay or Milwaukee, even farther away. St. Elizabeth is operated by Ascension, a 142-hospital national Catholic healthcare system.

    ThedaCare's application for an injunction accused Ascension of an effort to "poach" the workers. The institution said in a statement that Ascension refused to work out a transition timetable. ThedaCare sought the injunction to "provide time" to replace the workers.

    Ascension said in a statement that it "did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees," but that they applied for posted job openings. "It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."

    Timothy Breister, one of the workers, told McGinnis by letter that Ascension had job openings that were better "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance."

    The seven workers say they all applied on their own initiative. They asked ThedaCare to match the offers, but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," Breister wrote.



    BTW, isn't Mark McGinnis a DEMOCRAT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    An "at will" job means that these workers could drive into work, and find they had no job. They can have their job taken away from them in a second, for almost any reason. There is no requirement to give them a warning.

    So these 7 medical workers at ThedaCare in Wisconsin were at will workers. They would sometimes show up for a scheduled shift, only to be told they would not be needed that day. Their employer saw no need to warn them ahead of time, or to pay them for their useless travel.

    They were nicer to their employer than their employer was to them. They gave their employer almost a month notice before quitting. They also gave their employer a chance to match their new wages. Their employer chose to go to a judge and get a court order saying they could not take new jobs.

    The judge said it was an attempt to force the old employer and the new employer to collude together illegally to push down wages. Are these at will employees, or slaves?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...ycsrp_catchall
    That's pretty bad. The employer should be sued and investigated by the Feds.

    Thedacare provided a toxic work environment, they can kick rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    When I was in my 20's, I came to work to find they had laid off the entire team of a dozen or so people. They kept us all day filling out forms and reports, and towards the end of the day, I was quietly told that they wanted to "offer me a new job". I was young, [comparatively] cheap, and highly productive, so I understood they would not want to let me go. I almost took it when we all realized they were not going to pay us for the day we stayed there. They claimed that because we were "officially fired" first thing in the morning, the whole day was free to them. I realized I did not want to work for a place that would steal salary from me, so they decided to prove me right by never giving me my final paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    That's pretty bad. The employer should be sued and investigated by the Feds.
    Read the whole story.

    Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    Over the weekend, the workers were in limbo. Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    On Monday, after a hearing at which some of the workers were scheduled to testify, McGinnis lifted the injunction, leaving the workers free to take up their new posts.

    In issuing the injunction Friday, McGinnis had acknowledged that keeping the seven workers off duty is far from ideal. "To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

    He asked the two employers to work out a deal between themselves, but that didn't happen.

    The conflict involved seven members of an 11-member cardiovascular team providing urgent care to stroke victims at ThedaCare Regional Medical Center in Neenah, Wis., about an hour south of Green Bay.

    ThedaCare says that when the workers, who include technicians and nurses, all took jobs at nearby St. Elizabeth Hospital, that impaired its ability to provide round-the-clock care for stroke patients, who might have to be transferred to hospitals in Green Bay or Milwaukee, even farther away. St. Elizabeth is operated by Ascension, a 142-hospital national Catholic healthcare system.

    ThedaCare's application for an injunction accused Ascension of an effort to "poach" the workers. The institution said in a statement that Ascension refused to work out a transition timetable. ThedaCare sought the injunction to "provide time" to replace the workers.

    Ascension said in a statement that it "did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees," but that they applied for posted job openings. "It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."

    Timothy Breister, one of the workers, told McGinnis by letter that Ascension had job openings that were better "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance."

    The seven workers say they all applied on their own initiative. They asked ThedaCare to match the offers, but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," Breister wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    CIVIL MATTER. THE COURTS WILL SETTLE IT.
    It's already settled. here's what Salty Walty "forgot" to tell you:

    Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    Over the weekend, the workers were in limbo. Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    On Monday, after a hearing at which some of the workers were scheduled to testify, McGinnis lifted the injunction, leaving the workers free to take up their new posts.

    In issuing the injunction Friday, McGinnis had acknowledged that keeping the seven workers off duty is far from ideal. "To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

    He asked the two employers to work out a deal between themselves, but that didn't happen.

    The conflict involved seven members of an 11-member cardiovascular team providing urgent care to stroke victims at ThedaCare Regional Medical Center in Neenah, Wis., about an hour south of Green Bay.

    ThedaCare says that when the workers, who include technicians and nurses, all took jobs at nearby St. Elizabeth Hospital, that impaired its ability to provide round-the-clock care for stroke patients, who might have to be transferred to hospitals in Green Bay or Milwaukee, even farther away. St. Elizabeth is operated by Ascension, a 142-hospital national Catholic healthcare system.

    ThedaCare's application for an injunction accused Ascension of an effort to "poach" the workers. The institution said in a statement that Ascension refused to work out a transition timetable. ThedaCare sought the injunction to "provide time" to replace the workers.

    Ascension said in a statement that it "did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees," but that they applied for posted job openings. "It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."

    Timothy Breister, one of the workers, told McGinnis by letter that Ascension had job openings that were better "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance."

    The seven workers say they all applied on their own initiative. They asked ThedaCare to match the offers, but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," Breister wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We are certainly moving in that direction.

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