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    Default Abolishing the filibuster won’t lead to a ‘tyranny of the majority’. It’s the opposit

    A minority should have its say – but a majority must get its way. To enact what you have been empowered to enact does not mean, as Manchin puts it, “abandoning our Republican colleagues on important national issues”. It means not abandoning the people who put their trust in your ability actually to get stuff done.

    What defenders of the filibuster want is for the minority de facto to hold power.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-joe-manchin

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    "Yet the framers worried no less about a tyranny of the minority. While they built in plenty of checks and balances, they did not seek to give veto powers to a minority within the Senate. After all, the latter was already through other designs the place for what Jefferson called a “natural aristocracy” to cogitate and deliberate. The chamber was not directly elected by the people before 1913, but both before and after, it has had an inbuilt bias for minorities, since every state, no matter how small, gets two senators. "

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    Let's wait until next year when it's nearly 100% certain that the Republicans control Congress, both the House and Senate, and see what you think about it then...

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    The filibuster allows a minority in the Senate to hold up the nation's business.
    Let's consider federal government.
    The Senate is only one half of the legislature. It needs the House to even send a bill to the President.

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    Sinema and Manchin refuse to acknowledge that this is an asymmetrical war. McConnell would change the filibuster rules in two seconds. And frankly, it isn't a tool that Democrats can use anyway, because the GOP is uninterested in passing any legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Sinema and Manchin refuse to acknowledge that this is an asymmetrical war. McConnell would change the filibuster rules in two seconds. And frankly, it isn't a tool that Democrats can use anyway, because the GOP is uninterested in passing any legislation.
    Read some of the speech Manchin made before the Senate in the debate. It is comical in its willed naiveté.

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    Nuclear option has already bitten the Dems by the SCOTUS appointments

    But the idea is the Senate is more then just a majority body - if it were 51 votes it would be the same as the House -a majority body

    Repubs have hardly used the filibuster under Biden, while Dems used it 300+ times under Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Nuclear option has already bitten the Dems by the SCOTUS appointments

    But the idea is the Senate is more then just a majority body - if it were 51 votes it would be the same as the House -a majority body

    Repubs have hardly used the filibuster under Biden, while Dems used it 300+ times under Trump
    Why shouldn't the Senate be a majority body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Why shouldn't the Senate be a majority body?
    well it's not in the Constitution, an neither is the filibuster but traditionally th Senates is supposed to be more deliberative then the Hosue.

    The House runs always on majorities - the Senate is supposed to act as the "saucer to cool down the passions of the House" legislation

    Myself I'd like to see the fillibuster continues ( and Dems are going to ant it when they are back out of power)
    but I think 60 votes is a bit high. it's a 3/5 majority ( where the 60 came from)
    I think maybe like 55 should be the number. . Still more than a simple majority but not a supermajority

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    well it's not in the Constitution, an neither is the filibuster but traditionally th Senates is supposed to be more deliberative then the Hosue.

    The House runs always on majorities - the Senate is supposed to act as the "saucer to cool down the passions of the House" legislation

    Myself I'd like to see the fillibuster continues ( and Dems are going to ant it when they are back out of power)
    but I think 60 votes is a bit high. it's a 3/5 majority ( where the 60 came from)
    I think maybe like 55 should be the number. . Still more than a simple majority but not a supermajority

    The irony of Manchin defending the filibuster as wanting all to be heard is that literally the filibuster does not require a Senator to be heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    A minority should have its say – but a majority must get its way. To enact what you have been empowered to enact does not mean, as Manchin puts it, “abandoning our Republican colleagues on important national issues”. It means not abandoning the people who put their trust in your ability actually to get stuff done.

    What defenders of the filibuster want is for the minority de facto to hold power.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-joe-manchin
    WHY on earth would it lead to a Tranny?!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    A minority should have its say – but a majority must get its way. To enact what you have been empowered to enact does not mean, as Manchin puts it, “abandoning our Republican colleagues on important national issues”. It means not abandoning the people who put their trust in your ability actually to get stuff done.

    What defenders of the filibuster want is for the minority de facto to hold power.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-joe-manchin
    OH LOOK!!! THE STALINISTS ARE STILL TRYING TO BYPASS THE CONSTITUTION TO VIOLATE IT.....
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


    De Oppresso Liber

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    A minority should have its say – but a majority must get its way. To enact what you have been empowered to enact does not mean, as Manchin puts it, “abandoning our Republican colleagues on important national issues”. It means not abandoning the people who put their trust in your ability actually to get stuff done.

    What defenders of the filibuster want is for the minority de facto to hold power.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-joe-manchin


    deliberate propaganda to promote a tyrannical regime run by nazi democrats.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    What Chuck Schumer said about the filibuster when the shoe was on the other foot

    “Bottom line is very simple: The ideologues in the Senate want to turn what the Founding Fathers called ‘the cooling saucer of democracy’ into the rubber stamp of dictatorship. We will not let them. They want, because they can’t get their way on every judge, to change the rules in mid-stream, to wash away 200 years of history. They want to make this country into a banana republic, where if you don’t get your way, you change the rules. Are we going to let them? It’ll be a doomsday for democracy if we do.”

    That was what Sen. Chuck Schumer said in 2005, as he successfully argued that Republicans should not change the Senate’s filibuster rules to get their way. Now that Democrats have the Senate majority, with him as their leader, he’s arguing strenuously for sidelining the filibuster to “wash away 200 years of history.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post


    deliberate propaganda to promote a tyrannical regime run by nazi democrats.
    Dumber than Jethro Bodine^^

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