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    Default 4 key turning points in Western history

    According to Kenneth Harl, professor of history @ Tulane University, these are the four most important turning points in the history of western civilization:

    1) Emergence of self-government (5th century BCE Greece).

    2) Conversation of Europe to Christianity.

    3) Discovery of the New World.

    4) Industrial revolution.

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    Add one. The Enlightenment. Rejection of Christian oppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Add one. The Enlightenment. Rejection of Christian oppression.
    Religious Quacks vs. FreeThinkers. The Cultural War rages on.
    Someone talked about 'Forms of Government'. 'Military Dictatorships' was one. Another was 'Theocracies'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Religious Quacks vs. FreeThinkers. The Cultural War rages on.
    Someone talked about 'Forms of Government'. 'Military Dictatorships' was one. Another was 'Theocracies'.
    Best way to oppress a population: Tell them the Great Father in the Sky is mad at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Best way to oppress a population: Tell them the Great Father in the Sky is mad at them.
    Or, tell them SugarDaddy will grant them 'Eternal Life' if they just jump through these specific hoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Add one. The Enlightenment. Rejection of Christian oppression.
    My guess is Professor Harl left it off his list, because he was highlighting truly transformational turning points in western history.


    In a sense, Locke, Hobbes, and the French philosophes were just resurrecting ground which had already been covered before by the Greeks: political rights, political theory, and the nature of the rights of the citizen.

    Also, the Enlightenment was just one in a long line of intellectual traditions: Humanism, Enlightenment, Romanticism, Transcendentalism, Existentialism. In that sense, it wasn't really a turning point, it was another cog in the wheel, another link in the chain.


    I would say the French Revolution was transformational, but I wouldn't rank it up there with the industrial revolution, or the discovery of the Americas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    My guess is Professor Harl left it off his list, because he was highlighting truly transformational turning points in western history.


    In a sense, Locke, Hobbes, and the French philosophes were just resurrecting ground which had been covered before by the Greeks: political rights, political theory, and the nature of the rights of the citizen.

    Also, the Enlightenment was just one in a long line of intellectual traditions: humanism, Enlightenment, Romanticism, Transcendentalism, Existentialism. In that sense, it wasn't really a turning point, it was another cog in the wheel, another link in the chain.


    I would say the French Revolution was transformational, but I wouldn't rank it up there with the industrial revolution, or the discovery of the Americas.

    Enlightenment was Europe rejecting the authoritarianism of Christianity. Thank God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Add one. The Enlightenment. Rejection of Christian oppression.
    "Oppression" might be too strong of a word. "Hegemony" definitely fits, though.
    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- JFK (5/17/61)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    "Oppression" might be too strong of a word. "Hegemony" definitely fits, though.
    Oppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Enlightenment was Europe rejecting the authoritarianism of Christianity. Thank God.
    "When did the Catholic Church translated the Bible?
    The Roman Catholic Church's reaction to the Anglican translations was to translate the New Testament in Rheims in 1578 and the Old Testament in Douay in 1609. Thus, the first Catholic translation was called the Douay-Rheims edition, and it too influenced the wording of the Protestants' King James Version.Jun 30, 2017

    Early Bible translations — matters of life and death - The Jackson Sun'

    I'm guessing there was a reason the Bible was in Latin and never translated into the local languages.
    Probably like the Constitution in Latin ... and Trump would tell you what it said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    "Oppression" might be too strong of a word. "Hegemony" definitely fits, though.
    "Why is Minerva so important?
    Minerva is the goddess of wisdom, medicine, the arts, poetry, and handicrafts. Later in Roman history, she became the goddess of war as well. So, she was pretty important to the Romans. ... Combining aspects of both Menvra and Athena, Minerva grew to be one of the most respected goddesses in the Roman religion.

    The Roman Goddess Minerva: Importance & Mythology"

    'Christians' never had a 'Goddess of Wisdom'. NOT REALLY BIG ON THEIR LIST OF IMPORTANT SHIT.

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    Default What is enlightenment. Kant:

    Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s
    understanding without guidance from another. This immaturity is self-imposed when its cause lies not in lack of
    understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it
    without guidance from another. Sapere Aude! [dare to
    know] “Have courage to use your own understanding!” —
    that is the motto of enlightenment.

    https://users.manchester.edu/Facstaf...ightenment.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "Why is Minerva so important?
    Minerva is the goddess of wisdom, medicine, the arts, poetry, and handicrafts. Later in Roman history, she became the goddess of war as well. So, she was pretty important to the Romans. ... Combining aspects of both Menvra and Athena, Minerva grew to be one of the most respected goddesses in the Roman religion.

    The Roman Goddess Minerva: Importance & Mythology"

    'Christians' never had a 'Goddess of Wisdom'. NOT REALLY BIG ON THEIR LIST OF IMPORTANT SHIT.
    Christians had one God: Power. Oh, yeah, Jesus. He was also a nice guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Christians had one God: Power. Oh, yeah, Jesus. He was also a nice guy.
    The Big Chief always needs a Witch Doctor. Along with the willing Rubes (not mentioning Cypress and Owl) to buy into the StoryLine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Christians had one God: Power. Oh, yeah, Jesus. He was also a nice guy.
    The Big Chief always needs a Witch Doctor. Along with the willing Rubes (not mentioning Cypress and Owl) to buy into the StoryLine.

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