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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We need to spend more money on education just about everywhere in the USA. California has a major problem with Proposition 13, which is a hard limit on taxes. Do you want to debate that?



    New teachers in Finland are paid about the same as new lawyers. They are required to have a masters degree or better, so are about as educated as lawyers.
    I'm going on the assumption this is accurate but maybe there is data showing otherwise. Assuming this is true I'm still trying to understand how you've picked Finland as the example we should follow. (And it would be great if we only paid lawyers this amount.)


    Oct. 5 is World Teacher’s Day—here’s how much teachers around the world are paid

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/05/...-are-paid.html


    Even when we spend more money on education and the results don't change the response is always 'we need more money'. It's a way of sounding like you care without ever addressing the issue of how we deliver education in this country.

    You want to talk about Prop 13 and then people talk about our state having a $30 billion surplus. We're not able to distribute that money to education? You just want to talk partisan trash, which is your right to but you're not serious about education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    By Pedo Don and his cronies.
    WAKE UP!
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The "central administration" cannot create money out of nothing. Our government has decided to underfund education, even though we know we will have to pay for this is the future.
    they could eliminate some of their six figure positions that serve no purpose.

    here's an example !

    my wife was the clinic assistant at the local high school. concussions have been a big deal over the last ten years of more and rightly so as they are frequent and potentially deadly. the county has a six figure admin whose sole job was to manage the process for logging/tracking students through the concussion protocol. after the first year this expensive admin has done nothing but alter snips of wording that served no purpose and changed nothing in the protocol but it DID seem to justify her continued existence.

    that would buy quite a lot of pencils and tissues.
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    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    You can thank teachers for that
    We can thank teachers for education being underfunded? Really?

    Teachers would want education to be overfunded. The funding goes to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We can thank teachers for education being underfunded? Really?

    Teachers would want education to be overfunded. The funding goes to them.
    Yes really.

    They want it over funded and it is. There is no authority for a department of education. Let teachers take pay cuts since they care.aboyt the kids so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    They want it over funded and it is.
    The second part is where we disagree. You think America is spending too much on education, and I think America is spending too little on education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Let teachers take pay cuts since they care.aboyt the kids so much.
    We have a shortage of teachers, and an even bigger shortage of competent teachers. Pay cuts will just mean worse teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    They want it over funded and it is.
    The second part is where we disagree. You think America is spending too much on education, and I think America is spending too little on education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Let teachers take pay cuts since they care.aboyt the kids so much.
    We have a shortage of teachers, and an even bigger shortage of competent teachers. Pay cuts will just mean worse teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    U.S. teachers make much, much more than teachers in Finland. Try again you uneducated asshole.
    they also make more than Walt....though to be fair they are smarter and work harder than he does.....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    See post #46.
    why....did guano see you at Target when you saw lines and lines of teachers?
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    why....did guano see you at Target when you saw lines and lines of teachers?
    Yep he saw me at Target and wanted to target me.

    https://www.myeducationdiscount.com/walmart.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    So your solution to underfunded schools is to reduce funding? Is this some sort of game of chicken? Red areas of the country could completely fail to educate their children, so would they?



    I have been extremely underwhelmed with the online education. At first it had great promise, but has failed. At best, home schooling perpetuates better and worse education, but at worst, it lowers the education each generation.
    Every American could get their education online.
    I am quite sure the government would do an adequate job of teaching American students this way.
    Plus, students would not have to worry about school bullying/shootings/Covid-19/etc..

    And the money saved would literally be in the tens of billions.

    And if individual states want a 'better' public schooling?
    They can pay for it themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We agree. It is a failure of government in red areas of the country. This attitude of not paying our taxes (and other reasonable bills) is becoming the norm in America, and it is destroying America.



    Bureaucrats are not known for unreasonable cost cutting. In fact, their problem is the opposite.

    So the politicians are cutting education to the bone, and hoping that maybe some charity will come along and fix it... That is a real problem for America.
    No offense man.

    But if you honestly think that bureaucrats are never lazy or corrupt?
    You do not know what you are talking about.
    Some are good.
    Maybe even most.
    But many are lazy, corrupt and greedy.
    The latter two - especially the higher-ups.

    Have you never been to a DMV office?
    Please do not tell me that you get wonderful, fast service when you do?
    Because I doubt almost any American would believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    I am quite sure the government would do an adequate job of teaching American students this way.
    Online education has not been good so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    And if individual states want a 'better' public schooling?
    They can pay for it themselves.
    The Federal Government funds less than 10% of government education, so it is already done through states and local governments. I would question whether YouTube videos are really a replacement for schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Quite possibly, it is me and the educated/productive Americans who fade into oblivion. America can not support itself without us, but maybe it can become more like Brazil, or Nigeria.
    you're a deluded imbecile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    But if you honestly think that bureaucrats are never lazy or corrupt?
    They are often lazy, and sometimes corrupt, but they are exceedingly rarely overly cost cutting. They are more usually over spending. If there is a problem with too little being spent, do not look at the bureaucrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    But many are lazy, corrupt and greedy.
    The third one is the biggie. They are not willing to cut spending too much.

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