Biden: Russian 'minor incursion' into Ukraine prompts discussion over consequences

[anatta]

Biden on Wednesday predicted Russia "will move in" to Ukraine, citing existential concerns by the country's president, Vladimir Putin, even as he acknowledged disunity within NATO over how to respond to a "minor incursion."

the remark elicited near-immediate outcry in Kyiv, where officials have been meeting with Biden's top diplomat as Russian troops amass on the country's border. High-level attempts to clean-up the comment soon followed at the White House.

It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," Biden told reporters at an East Room news conference. "But if they actually do what they're capable of doing with the forces amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further invade Ukraine."

[anatta]

later, asked to clarify what he meant by "minor incursion," Biden said he drew the line at "Russian forces crossing the border, killing Ukrainian fighters"
"I think that changes everything," the President said. "But it depends on what he does, to what extent we'll get total unity on the NATO front."

"It's very important that we keep everyone in NATO on the same page. That's what I'm spending a lot of time doing, and there are differences," he went on. "There are differences in NATO as to what countries are willing to do, depending on what happens."

The candid assessment of NATO's divisions -- which have been well documented, even as US and Western officials seek to project unity amid the crisis -- left Ukrainian officials aghast. One told CNN's Matthew Chance he was "shocked that the US President Biden would distinguish between incursion and invasion" and suggest that a minor incursion would not trigger sanctions.

"This gives the green light to Putin to enter Ukraine at his pleasure," the official added, claiming he'd never heard any nuance like this from the US administration before.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/polit...nce/index.html
"Kyiv is stunned," he said, referring to the Ukrainian government.

[anatta]

well I was pleased Biden got some nuance! notice the stuck pig squealing fronm Kyiv while they were shaking down Blinken for more money, weapons and "committments"

Ukraine is our money pit and then death trap if we were to go in

[anatta]

Zelensky on Wednesday urged Ukrainians to not panic and to "calm down" over fears of a possible Russian invasion.
"All our citizens, especially the elderly, need to understand this: Everyone needs to exhale. Calm down. Don't run for emergency supplies like buckwheat and matches. To all the media: Remain as the media, not become a source of mass hysteria. Do not help the enemy in the pursuit of hype by reporting daily that war may happen tomorrow! This will definitely not stop it."
"What is new here? Is this not the reality for the past eight years? Didn't the invasion begin in 2014? Did the threat of the war emerge just now?" he said.
The only reason for "panic is that after eight years we are still influenced by this panic," he added.
Zelensky said Russia's "aim is to weaken Ukraine" in order to force Kyiv to concede to Moscow and "to create such a background that our 'no' sounds weaker."

The Ukrainian leader said Moscow is "actively attacking your nerves, not our state. So that you have a constant feeling of panic."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/polit...nce/index.html

[anatta]

I bet the Russiaphobes will be frothing this morning!
Biden ceded Donbas to Russia! and such war hype

[PostmodernProphet]

why did Biden tell the Russians that they can invade the Ukraine so long as they do it gently?......

[anatta]

US approves transfer of American weapons from allies to Ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/polit...ine/index.html

and the beat goes on. at some point our security guarantees with Ukraine make formal NATO membership moot.. Unless there is a "little incursion" -whatever that means.. we are Ukraine's security guarantors

[Legion]

why did Biden tell the Russians that they can invade the Ukraine so long as they do it gently?......

Because he's a weak old man who's bent on appeasement?

[Cypress]

Makes sense to me.

We are not going to have a panic attack about a minor firefight between Russian and Ukrainian soldiers.

That kind of thing happens all the time between the armed forces of South Korea and North Korea.

[Legion]

That kind of thing happens all the time between the armed forces of South Korea and North Korea.

Is that so, sex pest?

[anatta]

Makes sense to me.
We are not going to have a panic attack about a minor firefight between Russian and Ukrainian soldiers.
That kind of thing happens all the time between the armed forces of South Korea and North Korea.

makes sense to me as well, until Pskai "cleaned it up" and retracted the "little incursion"

The Russiaphobe thirst for war will never be satiated -Biden adm is loaded with them

[Guno צְבִי]

Is that so, sex pest?

[Guno צְבִי]

Because he's a weak old man who's bent on appeasement?

A weak old man who beat the orange shitgibbon

[Cypress]

My anti-Putin relatives in Moscow are saying that NATO would be smart to just give Putin a guarantee of non-expansion into Ukraine.

It costs nothing for NATO to make that promise, and puts the ball back in Putin's court.

NATO themselves have admitted they have no intention in the next 10-15 years to consider Ukraine membership. Ukraine is not yet a functioning democracy suitable for NATO membership.

Putin will be dead or in prison in 15 years, and NATO can make changes to it's strategic partnerships at that time, if desired.

[anatta]

My anti-Putin relatives in Moscow are saying that NATO would be smart to just give Putin a guarantee of non-expansion into Ukraine.

It costs nothing for NATO to make that promise, and puts the ball back in Putin's court.

NATO themselves have admitted they have no intention in the next 10-15 years to consider Ukraine membership. Ukraine is not yet a functioning democracy suitable for NATO membership.

Putin will be dead or in prison in 15 years, and NATO can make changes to it's strategic partnerships at that time, if desired.

wise relatives you got there.
and that would mean any Russian incursion would be prima facie illegitimate

ask yourself why we or NATO absolutely refuses to do this ??