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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    That's right, Jack.

    Now, tell the forum why a political party about to enter a major election campaign would so obviously not give a fuck about what voters are thinking or what voters want.

    Think really, really hard.
    ^A very valid point.

    PS: Legion, the way that works is you highlight which one they are doing at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    'Importing' cheap labor is a talking point.

    Our economy depends upon migrant workers in the fields, and in meat processing plants. If you want to demand American labor in every market, I'm with you.

    But you cannot turn around and complain about vastly higher prices for food.

    It's a delicate balance.

    Now...illegals working at construction jobs has become an issue in the last two decades. If you want to crack down on this, then drop a dime on your local contractors.
    I've been dealing with it for decades. Others have, too.

    It's hard for 3 Americans to compete against 8 illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Legion, the way that works is you highlight which one they are doing at the time.
    I know. That's why I advised him to "pick a number".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    It's hard for 3 Americans to compete against 8 illegals.
    Which number (or numbers) is Alt-facts using, Matt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
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    15. When losing, resort to personal attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Which number (or numbers) is Alt-facts using, Matt?

    That's for you to decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    That's for you to decide.
    Alt-facts hits most of them habitually, but in this case, I'd say...

    1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth they are objecting to.

    2. Promptly reject all explanations as right wing lies. Smoke spin deflect.

    3. Ignore any facts presented.

    3a. Play dumb and keep others wasting their time trying to enlighten you.

    4. Ridicule spelling and typos, punctuation.

    5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", question their education, intelligence, Age.

    6. Employ misdirection.

    6a. smear people.

    6b. attack religion.

    6c. attack your rationality.

    7. Lie, make false assumptions.

    8. Play race/gender card/misogynist card.

    9. Play gay/lesbian card.

    10. Play the Nazi/Fascist/bigot card.

    11. Make up stuff/So you got nothing?

    12. Deny constantly.

    13. Reword and repeat.

    14. Pretending not to understand, playing ignorant/what did I lie about.

    15. When losing, resort to personal attacks.

    16. Russia.

    17. Fox News/Alex Jones/Brietbart/infowars/Stormfront/Gateway/hannity/OAN.

    18. You can’t read.

    19. Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump.

    20. What about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Alt-facts hits most of them habitually, but in this case, I'd say...

    1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth they are objecting to.

    2. Promptly reject all explanations as right wing lies. Smoke spin deflect.

    3. Ignore any facts presented.

    3a. Play dumb and keep others wasting their time trying to enlighten you.

    4. Ridicule spelling and typos, punctuation.

    5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", question their education, intelligence, Age.

    6. Employ misdirection.

    6a. smear people.

    6b. attack religion.

    6c. attack your rationality.

    7. Lie, make false assumptions.

    8. Play race/gender card/misogynist card.

    9. Play gay/lesbian card.

    10. Play the Nazi/Fascist/bigot card.

    11. Make up stuff/So you got nothing?

    12. Deny constantly.

    13. Reword and repeat.

    14. Pretending not to understand, playing ignorant/what did I lie about.

    15. When losing, resort to personal attacks.

    16. Russia.

    17. Fox News/Alex Jones/Brietbart/infowars/Stormfront/Gateway/hannity/OAN.

    18. You can’t read.

    19. Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump.

    20. What about...

    Seems legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Seems legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I've been dealing with it for decades. Others have, too.

    It's hard for 3 Americans to compete against 8 illegals.
    I know. But the thought of Democrats actively 'importing' illegals to do cheap roofing work is absurd.

    If you don't like the competition, then report the contractors.

    Even though the illegals are as dumb as a box of rocks, they work harder and longer than any American worker. Especially those union guys we hear so much about in this thread.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I know. But the thought of Democrats actively 'importing' illegals to do cheap roofing work is absurd.

    If you don't like the competition, then report the contractors.

    Even though the illegals are as dumb as a box of rocks, they work harder and longer than any American worker. Especially those union guys we hear so much about in this thread.
    Ill give you that one..but I'm watchin' you..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    'Importing' cheap labor is a talking point.

    Our economy depends upon migrant workers in the fields, and in meat processing plants. If you want to demand American labor in every market, I'm with you.

    But you cannot turn around and complain about vastly higher prices for food.

    It's a delicate balance.

    Now...illegals working at construction jobs has become an issue in the last two decades. If you want to crack down on this, then drop a dime on your local contractors.

    Althea: "'Importing' cheap labor is a talking point."
    Jack: Yes. Yes, people are talking about it. How many people will be allowed into the US. One Million? Five Million? Ten Million? Twenty Million? Fifty Million? Do you have a Number?

    Althea: "Our economy depends upon migrant workers in the fields, and in meat processing plants. If you want to demand American labor in every market, I'm with you."
    Jack: The 'Migrants' have probably been here 20 years. If you granted them citizenship, they wouldn't be 'Migrants', they would be 'Americans', with all the Rights Americans have like Social Security, Unemployment, and all the rest. No fear of being Deported.

    Althea: "But you cannot turn around and complain about vastly higher prices for food."
    Jack: I'm not complaining about food prices. Anyone who is, needs to go out and pick lettuce for a week.

    Althea: "It's a delicate balance."
    Jack: No it's not. It's about Capitalists taking advantage of the Working Class.

    Althea: "Now...illegals working at construction jobs has become an issue in the last two decades. If you want to crack down on this, then drop a dime on your local contractors."
    Jack: No Worker is going to 'drop a dime' on a Brother Worker. Everybody wants to feed their Family.

    It's a political decision that the Capitalists like just like it is. A Workforce that is in fear of Deportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    That's right, Jack.

    Now, tell the forum why a political party about to enter a major election campaign would so obviously not give a fuck about what voters are thinking or what voters want.

    Think really, really hard.
    Because they want to Lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Ill give you that one..but I'm watchin' you..

    LOL. I don't use illegal labor. Quite the contrary.

    Know who does? Most of my MAGA friends who spout off about making this country great again

    Go figure.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post


    Because they want to Lose?
    Guess again.

    I know you can figure this out, Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Althea: "'Importing' cheap labor is a talking point."
    Jack: Yes. Yes, people are talking about it. How many people will be allowed into the US. One Million? Five Million? Ten Million? Twenty Million? Fifty Million? Do you have a Number?

    Althea: "Our economy depends upon migrant workers in the fields, and in meat processing plants. If you want to demand American labor in every market, I'm with you."
    Jack: The 'Migrants' have probably been here 20 years. If you granted them citizenship, they wouldn't be 'Migrants', they would be 'Americans', with all the Rights Americans have like Social Security, Unemployment, and all the rest. No fear of being Deported.

    Althea: "But you cannot turn around and complain about vastly higher prices for food."
    Jack: I'm not complaining about food prices. Anyone who is, needs to go out and pick lettuce for a week.

    Althea: "It's a delicate balance."
    Jack: No it's not. It's about Capitalists taking advantage of the Working Class.

    Althea: "Now...illegals working at construction jobs has become an issue in the last two decades. If you want to crack down on this, then drop a dime on your local contractors."
    Jack: No Worker is going to 'drop a dime' on a Brother Worker. Everybody wants to feed their Family.

    It's a political decision that the Capitalists like just like it is. A Workforce that is in fear of Deportation.
    I thought I taught you how to use the quote feature?

    The bolded above is exactly what the Senate passed in '13, but Republicans refused to bring to a vote in the House.

    Why is that, and how will making them 'legal' give you a job?

    BTW...under Bush Jr, it was deemed 'ok' to let them get SSI numbers to withhold FICA that they will never see when they retire.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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