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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    oh great another one who thinks censorship is the answer for ignorance..
    It's not. repressing ideas just drives them underground.
    The answer for ignorance is more free , persuasive speech
    The ignorance is astounding, isn't it? Another stupid sheeplet who wants the gubmint to act as mommy and daddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Lies, fake news and conspiracy theories were around since the time of the free press, well before the Founders. It's not like this is a new phenomenon or something they were unaware of.

    Do we want our government going the route of China and blocking what we can see and read on the internet?
    The founders were brilliant - but no way they could have imagined something like the internet, or its impact.

    Like the climate thread I started, I don't have the solution. I just see the problem. I don't know how anyone could argue that this is sustainable.

    We can't solve our problems if we don't at minimum share the same reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    The founders were brilliant - but no way they could have imagined something like the internet, or its impact.

    Like the climate thread I started, I don't have the solution. I just see the problem. I don't know how anyone could argue that this is sustainable.

    We can't solve our problems if we don't at minimum share the same reality.
    Sorry, I really don't know what your point is or what you are advocating. A lot of people think you want the government to violate the constitution and censor information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Sorry, I really don't know what your point is or what you are advocating. A lot of people think you want the government to violate the constitution and censor information.
    The only point was to start a discussion. I'm basically ignoring posts that claim I'm asking for the government to step in, or for true censorship, or anything. I haven't advocated for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    The only point was to start a discussion. I'm basically ignoring posts that claim I'm asking for the government to step in, or for true censorship, or anything. I haven't advocated for anything.
    so...vague

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    The founders were brilliant - but no way they could have imagined something like the internet, or its impact.

    Like the climate thread I started, I don't have the solution. I just see the problem. I don't know how anyone could argue that this is sustainable.

    We can't solve our problems if we don't at minimum share the same reality.
    The alternative is you suppress speech and force it underground or you go the China route and have the gov't restrict access to what people can see.

    People have talked a lot about the fear of losing our democracy, this would be a prime example of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    so...vague
    It's just "this is a problem...what do you all think?"

    That's it. If anyone claims it's NOT a problem, I'd question their take on reality. Widespread misinformation is a huge blockade to finding solutions. We can't agree or compromise if we don't share the same reality.

    There are too many know-it-alls on this board. Not every thread has to be a "this is what I think should happen" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The alternative is you suppress speech and force it underground or you go the China route and have the gov't restrict access to what people can see.

    People have talked a lot about the fear of losing our democracy, this would be a prime example of it
    It's a fair point. We always err on the side of freedom, which of course we all support. In this case, it's starting to hurt us & have a negative impact.

    I'd probably reject that it's either what we have, or government control/suppression. Maybe there is another answer we haven't thought of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    I don't have the solutions, EL.

    I just see the problem. We have 10's of millions of people who believe complete fabrications & conspiracy.
    Then you need to teach people to think more critically. Twitter and Facebook BOTH have banned people for saying things that the government is now saying. So no one is qualified to limit speech. So the founding fathers were correct to protect free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's a fair point. We always err on the side of freedom, which of course we all support. In this case, it's starting to hurt us & have a negative impact.

    I'd probably reject that it's either what we have, or government control/suppression. Maybe there is another answer we haven't thought of.
    Cancel culture. It's basically a way to ostracize someone who doesn't say or do what we want. Do it in a large enough setting and you can control speech that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    News should not be allowed to proffer known lies
    And yet they do it regularly


    We need laws to prevent this shit
    well we have libel and slander laws but that does not address all of it.
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    I think a possible answer is to enforce free speech.
    the problem currently is that there is honest disagreement regarding what "the truth" is.
    you do not solve that by arbitrarily picking one side to publish.
    this is, of course, not even remotely new but it is faster given advances in communication.
    truth will eventually find its way to the surface but only if speech remains free.
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    The question is why do people want to spread harmful misinformation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The question is why do people want to spread harmful misinformation?
    a. they do not view it as harmful or misinformation
    b. because it suits a larger agenda
    c. disagreement does not necessarily = harmful or misinformation
    d. its fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    a. they do not view it as harmful or misinformation
    b. because it suits a larger agenda
    c. disagreement does not necessarily = harmful or misinformation
    d. its fun
    a. If they don't, then they're dumb as a bell
    b. For who?
    c. Correct. However spreading misinformation is harmful
    d. Fun for trolls perhaps

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