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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    It is extremely rare that the government is even accused of denying free speech. A non-issue only right wing nuts obsess over.
    It is YOU that wants to deny free speech and ignore the Constitution. It is DEMOCRATS that want to deny free speech and ignore the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    BartenderElite thinks it is hurting us as a population.

    Free speech does not currently allow all speech--we can restrict threats, obscenity, libel and slander (by lawsuits after the fact), and other types of speech that do not involve a discussion of public issues.
    Congress has NO authority to limit or ban any speech in any way.
    It doesn't matter if the issue is 'public' or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Today there are more free press issues with social media that is not held to the same standard as the print media.
    Social media is not Congress. They are NOT limited in banning any speech (Assuming no protections from Section 203).
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    There have been some interesting free speech cases involving people fired from their jobs for their social media posts (if they are government employees or students--teachers, police).
    They can bring suit against their employer, school, or college. In some cases, they can even bring criminal charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's weird to even type that. It's one of our most sacred principles.

    But the original arguments for it & the marketplace of ideas had at its foundation the idea of a mature, educated populace. The theory was that by allowing all speech, the truth would filter everything else out & rise to the top.

    That's not happening. I don't think it's really disputable that allowing ALL speech - especially in the internet age, which the founders could not have foreseen - is hurting us as a population, as a society & as a planet. Belief in lies and conspiracy is becoming widespread and ingrained.

    If possible, try not to knee-jerk this one. I'm interested in other thoughts on it. It just isn't working as intended.
    fuck you, totalitarian jerkoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I never commented on censorship. However, if the government allows restrictions on free speech that is essentially censorship. For example, if the city prohibits speeches about abortion in a public park that is a violation of our free speech rights and is an example of censorship.
    No. A city has that authority, IF the Constitution of the State the city is in gives that authority, or the country or city charter do. The 1st amendment does not apply to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    go kill yourself
    Lying via manufactured quote. Hate speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    I don't have the solutions, EL.

    I just see the problem. We have 10's of millions of people who believe complete fabrications & conspiracy.
    Such as you. So?
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    [QUOTE=BidenPresident;4897854]
    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I am a hate troll. Put me on ignore./QUOTE]

    will do
    Lying via manufactured quote. Argument of the Stick fallacy. Bulverism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Lies, fake news and conspiracy theories were around since the time of the free press, well before the Founders. It's not like this is a new phenomenon or something they were unaware of.

    Do we want our government going the route of China and blocking what we can see and read on the internet?
    China tried, and failed miserably at this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I think I am informed enough not to believe the simplistic money bribes congressman conspiracy. Numerous studies have debunked this relationship.

    What vote did your congressman make because he was bribed? Who bribed him? Do you know who your Rep or Sen voted on any issue? You should be able to come up with examples since bribery is so common.

    People vote and contribute to officials because we liked the way they vote, not to bribe them on future votes.

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    wow, no one ever gave a politician money without wanting something back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I agree with 1/2 of that. Citizens United should be overturned. Doubtful it will happen during the Biden/Harris regime.

    Without checking, I'd bet Biden voted all kinds of for Citizens United. No doubt he was one who voted on it.
    That’s because Biden or any President can. Only SCOTUS can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    wow, no one ever gave a politician money without wanting something back.
    Did you ever vote for somebody without wanting something back. After all, your vote and not money put him in office.

    If money bought votes then all members of Congress would be voting the same way based on who gave them the most money.

    I know it sounds good and fits our cynical side to believe that, but political science and economics have found no causal relationship in 50 years of studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Did you ever vote for somebody without wanting something back. After all, your vote and not money put him in office.

    If money bought votes then all members of Congress would be voting the same way based on who gave them the most money.

    I know it sounds good and fits our cynical side to believe that, but political science and economics have found no causal relationship in 50 years of studies.
    I never donated $300,000 to a politican's campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post

    I know it sounds good and fits our cynical side to believe that, but political science and economics have found no causal relationship in 50 years of studies.
    your lying is tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post

    I know it sounds good and fits our cynical side to believe that, but political science and economics have found no causal relationship in 50 years of studies.
    Why do you lie all the time? Lack of self esteem? It is fucking pathetic.

    "According to a landmark study published in 2014 by the Princeton professor Martin Gilens and Northwestern professor Benjamin Page, the preferences of the typical American have no influence at all on legislation emerging from Congress.

    Gilens and Page analyzed 1,799 policy issues in detail, determining the relative influence of economic elites, business groups, mass-based interest groups and average citizens. Their conclusion: “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” Lawmakers mainly listen to the policy demands of big business and wealthy individuals – those with the most lobbying prowess and deepest pockets to bankroll campaigns and promote their views."

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