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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    oh great another one who thinks censorship is the answer for ignorance..
    It's not. repressing ideas just drives them underground.
    The answer for ignorance is more free , persuasive speech
    He is saying that ignorance, fake news, lies and such are hurting America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Restricting free speech is for fascists.

    Our libel and defamation laws allow suits against media for publishing false information that caused harm.
    Glad you admit that Trump is fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    oh great another one who thinks censorship is the answer for ignorance..
    It's not. repressing ideas just drives them underground.
    The answer for ignorance is more free , persuasive speech
    Indeed...great post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Glad you admit that Trump is fascist.
    I said nothing about Trump.

    I am arguing against any attempt by anybody to restrict free speech more than current law allows.

    We don't need any entity deciding what "hurts" us as a society. The left will want to restrict any conservative speech and the right will limit liberal speech as harmful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Glad you admit that Trump is fascist.
    when did trump limit free speech?

    What are you even fucking saying you commie dick retard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    He is saying that ignorance, fake news, lies and such are hurting America.
    and so the remedy is more speech, not censorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's weird to even type that. It's one of our most sacred principles.

    But the original arguments for it & the marketplace of ideas had at its foundation the idea of a mature, educated populace. The theory was that by allowing all speech, the truth would filter everything else out & rise to the top.

    That's not happening. I don't think it's really disputable that allowing ALL speech - especially in the internet age, which the founders could not have foreseen - is hurting us as a population, as a society & as a planet. Belief in lies and conspiracy is becoming widespread and ingrained.

    If possible, try not to knee-jerk this one. I'm interested in other thoughts on it. It just isn't working as intended.
    One idea is to preserve free speech, with regard to the government, but to have rules that make it easier for private individuals to recover damages in situations where someone abuses those rights to cause personal harm. Like when wingnuts falsely claim that someone helped steal an election, have it be possible to recover attorneys fees and some statutory damages in those cases, rather than people just relying on difficult-to-prove actual damages, while bearing their own litigation costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    when did trump limit free speech?

    What are you even fucking saying you commie dick retard?
    Remember "fake news"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I said nothing about Trump.

    I am arguing against any attempt by anybody to restrict free speech more than current law allows.

    We don't need any entity deciding what "hurts" us as a society. The left will want to restrict any conservative speech and the right will limit liberal speech as harmful.
    Trump wants to limit free speech. So does the right. Now you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Remember "fake news"?
    he never censored anything.

    he used more speech. that's what we're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    he never censored anything.

    he used more speech. that's what we're saying.
    He WANTED to censor any negative news about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Trump wants to limit free speech. So does the right. Now you understand?
    you're not really paying attention to reality, are you?

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    No. It is not time to "rethink" one of our most important and longstanding of our rights which have been "endowed by our creator." People get to say crap that Brandon fans dislike.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you're not really paying attention to reality, are you?
    I am.

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