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    Default Never has there been a seditious president of the United States until Donald Trump.

    “Today one of two political parties is an authoritarian party,” Bernstein comments. “You’d have to go back to the civil war to think of anything like the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6. You’d have to go back to [Confederate leader] Jefferson Davis, who was a Democrat, if you’re looking for a seditious leader of a faction of the country. Never has there been a seditious president of the United States until Donald Trump.”

    Bernstein says: “Our democracy, before Trump, had ceased to be working well and for 25, 30, 35 years we were in what I’ve called ‘a cold civil war’ in this country. Trump ignited it and we’re not going to go back from this place unless there’s some great event that somehow unites this country.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...e-working-well

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    Republicans never believed in democracy and the sovereignty of the people. At least, not in decades.

    That is why they are the free world's most infamous gerrymanderers and vote surpressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Republicans never believed in democracy and the sovereignty of the people. At least, not in decades.

    That is why they are the free world's most infamous gerrymanderers and vote surpressors.
    Yes. For decades conservatives having been insisting we are not a democracy. They really meant it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Yes. For decades conservatives having been insisting we are not a democracy. They really meant it.
    That is why Soviet leaders laughed in Ronald Reagan's face when he attempted to lecture them on the benefits of democracy and of sacred free and fair elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Republicans never believed in democracy and the sovereignty of the people. At least, not in decades.

    That is why they are the free world's most infamous gerrymanderers and vote surpressors.
    And sadly, they may get their wish. There is a non-zero and ever increasing chance that Donald Trump will be installed as Dictator. And once that happens, our country will be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Yes. For decades conservatives having been insisting we are not a democracy. They really meant it.
    Because RepubliQans can't win on their own merits. They have to cheat and break the law to win. Remember Watergate?

    Over the last 30 years of Presidential Elections, the Republicans have won the popular vote ONCE!!!


    The RepubliQans are fucked.
    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    And sadly, they may get their wish. There is a non-zero and ever increasing chance that Donald Trump will be installed as Dictator. And once that happens, our country will be gone.
    I don't see a literal dictatorship as being likely.

    Trump is way too stupid to be the criminal mastermind. He is the public face of something more insidious.

    I see this country at risk of sliding from democracy into a corrupt oligarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't see a literal dictatorship as being likely.

    Trump is way too stupid to be the criminal mastermind. He is the public face of something more insidious.

    I see this country at risk of sliding from democracy into a corrupt oligarchy.
    Well, we're already a corrupt oligarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Well, we're already a corrupt oligarchy.
    Putin's Russia is a criminal oligarchy. We are not there yet, but the risk is apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Putin's Russia is a criminal oligarchy. We are not there yet, but the risk is apparent.
    Trump and GOP want to be like Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't see a literal dictatorship as being likely.

    Trump is way too stupid to be the criminal mastermind. He is the public face of something more insidious.

    I see this country at risk of sliding from democracy into a corrupt oligarchy.
    Without voting rights passing and stopping what's happening in these legislatures, I think the possibility is very real. Imagine if say, someone like Eastman was in a position to certify a state election. Maybe Arizona, or Georgia. He WOULD have submitted an alternate slate of electors, and the Republican Congress would have accepted it. I think that is very likely to happen in 2024, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Then Trump installs his loyalists in DOJ, and the only remaining guardrail is SCOTUS. Want to count on this bunch of chowderheads to preserve democracy? Imagine DOJ prosecuting members of the press, members of Congress, anyone who opposes Trump. Who is going to stop it? I'd love to know, because right now, the answer is 'no one'. It can happen here, and the likelihood of it happening goes up dramatically without specific legislation in place to stop it. But hey, at least we'll still have the filibuster, that's what's REALLY important. Carry on. As for me, I'm in the process of deciding which beach I'm going drinking cocktails on. So, to your point, while we might not call it a dictatorship, it will, for all intents and purpose be one. And what happens in 2028? Trump will declare a national emergency and call off elections. And again I ask.... who is going to stop him? Answer: No one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    And sadly, they may get their wish. There is a non-zero and ever increasing chance that Donald Trump will be installed as Dictator. And once that happens, our country will be gone.
    I don’t think it’s increasing

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    I don’t think it’s increasing
    I think it increases every time Sinema and Manchin open their mouths. But that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Without voting rights passing and stopping what's happening in these legislatures, I think the possibility is very real. Imagine if say, someone like Eastman was in a position to certify a state election. Maybe Arizona, or Georgia. He WOULD have submitted an alternate slate of electors, and the Republican Congress would have accepted it. I think that is very likely to happen in 2024, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Then Trump installs his loyalists in DOJ, and the only remaining guardrail is SCOTUS. Want to count on this bunch of chowderheads to preserve democracy? Imagine DOJ prosecuting members of the press, members of Congress, anyone who opposes Trump. Who is going to stop it? I'd love to know, because right now, the answer is 'no one'. It can happen here, and the likelihood of it happening goes up dramatically without specific legislation in place to stop it. But hey, at least we'll still have the filibuster, that's what's REALLY important. Carry on. As for me, I'm in the process of deciding which beach I'm going drinking cocktails on. So, to your point, while we might not call it a dictatorship, it will, for all intents and purpose be one. And what happens in 2028? Trump will declare a national emergency and call off elections. And again I ask.... who is going to stop him? Answer: No one.
    It is possible the Republican states corruptly choose electors to vote for Trump--not unconstitutional. And the Electoral College makes Trump president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't see a literal dictatorship as being likely.

    Trump is way too stupid to be the criminal mastermind. He is the public face of something more insidious.

    I see this country at risk of sliding from democracy into a corrupt oligarchy.
    The Republican Party and FOX made this happen


    Ailes worked for Nixon


    Fox was created to serve the Republican Party aims of lying to the people to get them to vote for the republican lies

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