More blacks in jail than there were slaves

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From leaps website
New slavery
13 percent of drug users are black and make up about 80 percent of drug prisoners. Institutional racism.

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From leaps website
New slavery
13 percent of drug users are black and make up about 80 percent of drug prisoners. Institutional racism.

I don't blame it on racism, I blame it on stupidity and the failure to educate yourself beyond what the government puts out. Read Medical journals and books from people who know more about cannabis than does our government.

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then your an ignorant racist that has trouble understanding facts

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then your an ignorant racist that has trouble understanding facts

So you didn't post this thread for discussion. You posted it so that people would either say "wow thats right, life is so unfair", and any other response would be met with "your an ignorant racist that has trouble understanding facts".


Maybe if you were less stoned you could see the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Topper... I'm interested in what you think might be the solution to this problem? Should we make it not illegal for black people to commit crimes? Should we train our police to ignore crimes committed by blacks? Maybe we should make it so the court can only send so many blacks to prison for every so many whites? If you're black and facing sentencing, it will depend on whether quota has been met or not, as to how long (if any) time you get.... maybe THAT is your idea?

As of yet, we really don't know what you're proposing, you haven't said. You just popped off some emotive response to the fact that black people are responsible for more crime in America. It seems to be your assumption that law enforcement is out there picking and choosing who to arrest, and they racially discriminate against black people. When you see that 80% of the drug dealers in prison are black, it just means that 80% of the people stupid enough to get caught dealing drugs, were black... not that 60% of white folks didn't get arrested!

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Whoops everyone don't look this way

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Topper... I'm interested in what you think might be the solution to this problem? Should we make it not illegal for black people to commit crimes? Should we train our police to ignore crimes committed by blacks? Maybe we should make it so the court can only send so many blacks to prison for every so many whites? If you're black and facing sentencing, it will depend on whether quota has been met or not, as to how long (if any) time you get.... maybe THAT is your idea?

As of yet, we really don't know what you're proposing, you haven't said. You just popped off some emotive response to the fact that black people are responsible for more crime in America. It seems to be your assumption that law enforcement is out there picking and choosing who to arrest, and they racially discriminate against black people. When you see that 80% of the drug dealers in prison are black, it just means that 80% of the people stupid enough to get caught dealing drugs, were black... not that 60% of white folks didn't get arrested!

Legalize most drugs, abolish mandatory minimums, and reestablish federal parole. The get tough goons have proven a failure.

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Legalize most drugs, abolish mandatory minimums, and reestablish federal parole. The get tough goons have proven a failure.

This is why people see you as a crackpot, Waterhead. We live in a democratic republic, and if we wanted most drugs to be legal, they would be. Same with mandatory minimums, they would have never been passed into law in the first place, if most of us didn't want them. Reestablish federal parole? WTF? You mean felons can't be paroled anymore? When did that happen?

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This is why people see you as a crackpot, Waterhead. We live in a democratic republic, and if we wanted most drugs to be legal, they would be.

Dixie, I am advocating a policy. To advocate a policy, it is not necessary to have the majority behind you. The point of advocating a policy in a democratic republic is to get a majority behind you.

Same with mandatory minimums, they would have never been passed into law in the first place, if most of us didn't want them.

Same point as above.

Reestablish federal parole? WTF? You mean felons can't be paroled anymore? When did that happen?

1984.

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posting itt so people can see my avatar

[Beefy]

This is why people see you as a crackpot, Waterhead. We live in a democratic republic, and if we wanted most drugs to be legal, they would be. Same with mandatory minimums, they would have never been passed into law in the first place, if most of us didn't want them. Reestablish federal parole? WTF? You mean felons can't be paroled anymore? When did that happen?

Really? And most people want us out of Iraq, and how's that going?

Pick and chooses what you want. But someday. you'll have to move on to principle from party if you want to be relevant anymore.

[Adam Weinberg]

You just popped off some emotive response to the fact that black people are responsible for more crime in America.

These are not even facts, and they are not the facts he cited.

The facts are this: blacks are represented in the population of drug users fairly equivalent to their percentage of the general population.

Yet, their percentage of the prison population for these same offenses is far greater though they comprise a smaller portion of the offenders. This is an institutional form of discrimination in which law enforcement, the court system, the people and the lawmakers they elected all share responsibility.

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not sure it's discrimination as much as it is that they are typically in a lower economic bracket and therefore can't afford good attorneys

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not sure it's discrimination as much as it is that they are typically in a lower economic bracket and therefore can't afford good attorneys

You can't just criticize the court system, though there is plenty of blame there. But certainly discrimination is in practice with sentencing.

That's only part of the issue, though. Someone has to get them into court first. Where and how the enforcement takes place is very significant to how more black people end up in custody for crimes that are predominantly committed by white people.

In some ways, it's the same B.S. reason why if you or I tried to rob a bank, we'd get shot, but if Bernie Madoff steals billions they let him relax in one of his several homes while they carefully gather their evidence for a mostly inconsequential trial and sentencing process. It's an inequality in the priority for the law enforcement and justice system, and additionally, for the people who are writing the laws. What kind of message is it to the white suburban vote to say "We'll win the war on drugs by putting your college-aged kids in prison!" (Or just replace that with "Each of the last several Presidents" or "Michael Phelps" or "Rush Limbaugh".)

Much easier to make the issue about "dangerous people" who they don't know and by whose lives they aren't (seemingly) remotely touched.

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That's probably the biggest problem with the adversarial system - you get as much justice as you can afford.