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    Original question: What are the values of the Democrats that make them so desirable to vote for?
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    They tried to expand health care for the working and middle class (only to have the Repugnants block them at every turn).
    You can't expand what they already have. Nationalizing health care insurance made health care insurance less available and more expensive. Obamacare has failed. Communism doesn't work.
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    They try to protect women's reproductive rights (only to have the Repugnants block them at every turn).
    Women are completely free to reproduce (with the help of men, of course). Murder is not 'reproductive rights'.
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    They try to strengthen and protect voting rights for all Americans (only to have the Repugnants block them at every turn).
    Election fraud is not protecting or strengthening voting rights. Attempting to change the Constitution by edict and usurp the authority of the States is not protecting or strengthening voting rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    They look out for the interests of average working people above the interests of corporations (only to have the Repugnants block them at every turn).
    Raising taxes does nothing for the interests of working people or corporations. Labeling corporation as 'evil' does not help the interests of average working people. Forcing businesses to close and be destroyed due to fear mongering over The Sniffles does not help the average working people. Causing shortages through price controls and shuttering transportation industries such as maritime shipping is not helping the average working people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    They try to protect the environment and strengthen environmental regulations (only to have the Repugnants block them at every turn).
    Destroying water collection systems does not strengthen the environment. Windmills and solar power do not strengthen the environment. Your arrogance does not strengthen the environment. Banning CO2 using a religion does not strengthen the environment. CO2 is a necessary gas for life to exist on Earth. Denying science and engineering does not strengthen the environment.
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    I'm sure there are a few more reasons I could list, but I think that should suffice.
    It sufficed. It sufficed to show what liars Democrats are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Obamacare was modelled after a plan devised by The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing conservative think tank.
    No. Obama was never a member of the Heritage Foundation. Neither was Hillary.
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    They came up with it to counter the plan Hillary Clinton proposed as FLOTUS in Bill Clinton's first term.
    Obama wasn't running against Hillary.
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    The Repugnant Party touted that same individual mandate based plan as their alternative to what they dubbed "Hillarycare".
    Mandating government health insurance and replacing private health insurance companies with it is unconstitutional. Communism doesn't work. Neither does fascism.
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    Obama knew there was no chance in hell the Repugnants and some conservative Democrats would allow universal health care to become law, so he borrowed the idea from them.
    There is no such thing as a 'conservative Democrat'. Obama is not a Republican.
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    Magically, as soon as a Democrat POTUS proposed it with minor changes, the Repugnants were suddenly against it.
    Communism doesn't work. It is also unconstitutional. Obamacare has already failed, but the health insurance industry was severely damaged in the process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    That was all done by the courts. The Democrats had nothing to do with it.

    Claim it was "lib'rul" judges like I know you will, but if you can't prove it, you're full of shit.
    Murder is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Gross exaggeration and oversimplification.
    You can't make the evidence disappear by belittling it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Suffice it to say that in rural poor communities where the topic is an issue,
    It didn't happen there. Pivot fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    there have never been large scale or even significant numbers of fraud cases. The penalties for it have always been severe enough to discourage people from engaging in it to begin with.
    You can't make the evidence of election fraud disappear by wishing or pivoting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Hence, there has been no evidence to suggest they are even necessary.
    You can't make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear by declaring corrections to law unnecessary. You cannot use this excuse to change the Constitution and usurp authority of the States.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    The Repugnants understand that for people in these rural poor, mostly Democrat voting districts, getting to an office to obtain an official ID can be a very difficult, sometimes impossible task.
    BULLSHIT. It is as simple as getting a photo for a drivers's license, passport, or company ID.
    [QUOTE=Nomad;4890891]
    I had to obtain a new birth certificate in 2011 and it was ridiculously difficult. I had to jump through all kinds of hoops.
    BULLSHIT. Contact the registrar of records, pay the fee, and have it mailed to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    By working to make corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes so that working and middle class families won't have to shoulder it all themselves.
    BULLSHIT! Class warfare. Corporations under Obama paid a tax rate of 52%! The more an individual makes, the higher the tax rate (the top tier was 37% in 2018). A family making $60k/yr paid only about 15% by comparison (Federal taxes). Still WAY too high!
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    The Dems are in fact following science by working to lower vehicle emissions and reduce then eventually eliminate the use of fossil fuels.
    You deny science, specifically the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth.
    You deny chemistry too.
    There is no such thing as fossil fuel. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.
    Electric cars do NOT eliminate the use of oil, coal, or natural gas. You still have to charge them. That requires more and more power plants. Hydrogen cars do NOT eliminate the use of oil, coal, or natural gas. You still have to produce the hydrogen. That requires more and more power plants. Hydrogen is bulky and has problems with fueling. Such vehicles use 4000psi tanks...very dangerous. Fueling them requires a pump capable of putting that much pressure in the tank. While possible, the expanding gas freezes the filler nozzle to the car. Pressurizing hydrogen also requires power and is a dangerous operation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    We also work to enforce laws against chemical pollution of groundwater,
    Define 'chemical pollution of groundwater'. Water is a chemical. Dirt is also chemicals. I don't think you know what 'potable' means.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    the building of risky and unnecessary oil pipelines,
    Banning pipelines forces oil to be shipped by truck and train, a much more dangerous method and one prone to MORE oil spills. That form of transportation is also more expensive, wasting fuel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    drilling for oil and other development of environmentally sensitive lands
    Define 'environmentally sensitive land'. Buzzword fallacy. Why is drilling a hole 'environmentally insensitive'? Most oil (and water wells) are drilled on privately owned land.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    and preservation of national park and wilderness lands.
    Already done. A theft of private property by Democrats.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    All those areas which the Repugnants want to sell off to t1heir wealthy, greedy corporate campaign contributors.
    What sale?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Jet contrails are some weirdo conspiracy kook bullshit.
    Nope. Jet contrails are a very real thing. They consist of liquid water (the visible part) and CO2.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Nuclear is too dangerous to risk.
    Not at all. Recycling the used fuel from a normal reactor into a breeder reactor can still produce usable power. The waste product from that reactor can be disposed of in any ordinary landfill. Properly designed, such plants are completely safe. Even the disaster that struck Fukushima destroying reactor #2 resulted in no disastrous release of radioactive material. People live and work normally a mere 2 blocks away without any ill effect. Robots are being used to clean up the mess (built in the States!).
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    The answer to your question is "As little as possible."
    The result is the SOTC (what was once the State of California). Insufficient power, even to charge the electric cars, insufficient water, insufficient supplies, homeless defecating openly on sidewalks and streets, crime and open looting in the cities and now spreading to the suburbs, and people LEAVING. The SOTC is now covered with poor roads, abandoned farms, ranches, and orchards (turning to weeds), and devastation everywhere.

    No thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    No, it shows that Democrats are better human beings than Repugnants and answers your moronic question about why one should vote for them.
    The conditions in the SOTC show otherwise. The conditions in the SOTNY (what was once the State of New York) show otherwise. The conditions in any Democrat run city, such as Detroit, show otherwise.

    They all show why you should NOT vote for Democrats.

    The Democrats discard the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the several States.

    * They do not believe in free speech. They believe in censorship. They do not believe in free religious belief. They believe in state religions and banning religions.
    * They do not believe in the inherent right of self defense. They believe in banning guns and other weapons.
    * They do not believe in privacy. They believe in snooping and snitching on your neighbor.
    * They do not believe in trial by jury or right to trial. They believe in conviction without trial and in passing bills of attainder (banned in Article I).
    * They do not believe in private property. They believe in dictating use of your private property for 'the public good', usually without any compensation.
    * They do not believe in justice. They believe in vengeance.
    * They believe that rights are only those allowed by the government.
    * They believe in usurping the authority of the States.
    * They believe in banning the electoral college, thus removing representation by less populous States.
    * They believe in racism, bigotry, and slavery. They are constantly bringing up class division, race division, and using 'colored people' as pawns.
    * They believe in punishing the 'rich', especially by levying taxes differently according the enumeration of certain classes (in violation of the 14th and 16th amendments).

    These also show why you should NOT vote for Democrats.
    Last edited by Into the Night; 01-12-2022 at 03:59 AM.
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    TL/DR.

    All that time and effort for NOTHING!!!!

    I literally did not read one word of either that shit ^^^

    Or T.A. Gardner's mountain of bullshit on the previous page.

    You both wasted a ton of effort concocting two huge piles of lies that I literally did not read one word of!!!!

    Fuck you both.
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    Hello ThatOwlWoman,

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    What, exactly, is the "elite class"?
    That is the most bizarre of Republican arguments. They are 'fighting elites' so they elect a grifter billionaire?

    ???
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    Hello =reagansghost,

    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    ...so true


    Their:

    Leadership - does not exist

    Family values - does not exist

    Morality - does not exist

    Law & order - does not exist

    Science awareness - does not exist

    Historical knowledge - does not exist

    Honor - does not exist

    Liberty - does not exist

    Accountability - does not exist

    Trustworthiness - does not exist

    Kindness - does not exist

    Civil - does not exist

    Loyalty to the U.S. Constitution - does not exist

    Sound economics - does not exist

    Courage - does not exist
    They make all the same accusations about Democrats. And they have their own information stream to support their beliefs.

    They think they've got 'morality' covered because they want to protect 'unborn babies*.'

    * There is no such thing. Every baby human has been born. Before they are born, they are technically a fetus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That is the most bizarre of Republican arguments. They are 'fighting elites' so they elect a grifter billionaire?

    ???
    I never got that, either. #TRE45ON wouldn't even LOOK at one of them if they passed on the street, much less stop and have a conversation. It was said that ppl voted for W because "he's a guy you could sit down and have a beer with," IOW an average guy. But #TRE45ON? He would not only NEVER have a beer (or Diet Coke) with you; he wouldn't be caught dead in the same room as you.

    But yeah, they're against "elitism." I think that's just a dog whistle for "better educated," or "better job than I have" or "has a newer car than mine."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello ThatOwlWoman,



    That is the most bizarre of Republican arguments. They are 'fighting elites' so they elect a grifter billionaire?

    ???
    Hallucination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    TL/DR.

    All that time and effort for NOTHING!!!!

    I literally did not read one word of either that shit ^^^

    Or T.A. Gardner's mountain of bullshit on the previous page.

    You both wasted a ton of effort concocting two huge piles of lies that I literally did not read one word of!!!!

    Fuck you both.
    Bulverism fallacy.
    "The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
    "Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
    "Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello =reagansghost,



    They make all the same accusations about Democrats. And they have their own information stream to support their beliefs.

    They think they've got 'morality' covered because they want to protect 'unborn babies*.'

    * There is no such thing. Every baby human has been born. Before they are born, they are technically a fetus.
    Denial of the reproductive process. Denial of genetics.
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    "Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
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    "Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Bulverism fallacy.
    Fallacy gimmick fallacy.

    Convenient excuse to dodge issues fallacy.

    Too stupid to give real answer fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Fallacy gimmick fallacy.

    Convenient excuse to dodge issues fallacy.

    Too stupid to give real answer fallacy.
    Insult fallacies. Denial of logic. Mockery. Bulverism fallacy. Void argument fallacy. Trolling. No argument presented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Insult fallacies. Denial of logic. Mockery. Bulverism fallacy. Void argument fallacy. Trolling. No argument presented.
    Blabbering about fallacies gimmick fallacy.

    Lack of ability to argue honestly.

    No argument presented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Blabbering about fallacies gimmick fallacy.

    Lack of ability to argue honestly.

    No argument presented.
    Insult fallacies. Denial of logic. Mockery. Bulverism fallacy. Void argument fallacy. Trolling. No argument presented.
    "The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
    "Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
    "Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
    "Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
    "Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
    "no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
    "Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Fallacy gimmick fallacy.

    Convenient excuse to dodge issues fallacy.

    Too stupid to give real answer fallacy.
    I'll give you passing points for mockery here. Not highly inventive or subtle, but certainly more than adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Insult fallacies. Denial of logic. Mockery. Bulverism fallacy. Void argument fallacy. Trolling. No argument presented.
    Meaningless bullshit fallacy.
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