The success of secularism. The failure of religion.

[PostmodernProphet]

It's obviously you back Mason in '24 for President!

that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard........to be that dumb you must be Mason......

[BidenPresident]

It depends on what your definition of is,is!

Often described as the fact/value distinction. No fact about the world can provide a value.

[Mason Michaels]

not based on the definition used by the OP (see post #8)......

Obviously Mason's definition trumps that

[PostmodernProphet]

Obviously Mason's definition trumps that

feces still float to the surface I see......

[Mason Michaels]

feces still float to the surface I see......

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[Cypress]

We all know what the religious values are. They belong to culture. As Hume said, "ought" does not proceed from "is."

We are born utterly selfish and relentlessly self centered. Have you ever been around two year olds?

A system of binding moral awareness does not just pop into our minds at random.

They are taught to and inculcated in us largely by parents and society. Our parents got them from our grandparents, who got them from our great grandparents, etc. etc.

Our moral awareness is history within us, and to some significant extent that awareness has been passed directly or indirectly by the Muslim, Hindu, Confucian, Buddhist, or Judeo-Christian system of ethics our culture was steeped in, depending on the geography of where we were born.

[BidenPresident]

We are born utterly selfish and relentlessly self centered.

And many die that way as adults. Religion just makes the selfish more self-righteous.

[Cypress]

And many die that way as adults. Religion just makes the selfish more self-righteous.

Abject selfishness is not widely respected in this society, in Hindu society, in Muslim society, in Buddhist societies, or in Jewish societies.

In fact, it is widely considered reprehensible.

A cohesive moral vision does not ensure everyone acts on it. We are born with free will. But it generally imposes a price to pay: social sanction, loss of respect, etc

[BidenPresident]

Selfishness is not widely respected in this society, in Hindu society, in Muslim society, in Buddhist societies, or in Jewish societies.

In fact, it is widely considered reprehensible.

A cohesive moral vision does not ensure everyone acts on it. We are born with free will.

That's nice.

[Cypress]

its now in it's third canon....
https://americanhumanist.org/what-is...sm/manifesto3/

I asked what binding and cohesive ethical creed they adopted.


What you posted isn't it. This so called manifesto says ethics are relative, utilitarian, and strictly up to individuals to decide upon.

Human Manifesto III

"Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanist_Manifesto

I have always been on Team Plato,
and not on Team Protagoras.

Protagoras famously said man is the measure of all things -- aka, everything is relative to man and his conventions.

Plato thought there were universal moral truths we could perceive and understand through commitment and the proper use of our mental faculties.

[PostmodernProphet]

I asked what binding and cohesive ethical creed they adopted.


What you posted isn't it. This so called manifesto says ethics are relative, utilitarian, and strictly up to individuals to decide upon.

so their cohesive creed is universal permissiveness......

[Cypress]

so their cohesive creed is universal permissiveness......

No.

[BidenPresident]

The 2021 book “Secular Surge,” by a trio of prominent political scientists, says “secular” core values include freethinking, logic and reason — rather than received authority — human experience and the laws of nature. Secularism, notably, is not defined by opposition to religious identity or practices. By this definition, a quarter of Americans now have a secular worldview, the researchers contest, and events such as the pandemic could speed along the birth of a secular political left, not unlike the early days of the religious right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...eligion-nones/

[ParachuteAdams]

In other cultures they’re firm believers of interfaith marriage or it ends up as . . . .

Femicide is generally understood to involve intentional murder of women because they are women,
but broader definitions include any killings of women or girls. This information sheet focuses on the
narrower definition commonly used in policies, laws and research: intentional murder of women.



What’s on your head? I’m spinning my wheels.

[Yakuda]

No, secularism cannot reassure us that the universe is governed by a benevolent deity, or that the wicked will be punished and the good rewarded, or that our souls will be clasped after death in the bosom of Abraham. But in leaving us to our devices, it does something better, because it does something truer. It forces us into the search: for truth, for beauty, for justice. And from that search, conducted in whatever state of anguish, have come the triumphs of modernity: liberal democracy, the movements for civil equality, the profundities of modern science, the glories of modern art. For death, for grief, for sin, for guilt, these boons bring no relief.

But compared to the promises of supernatural religion, they do have this to recommend them. They are real.

https://salmagundi.skidmore.edu/arti...ment-and-dogma

You didn't get the pony you prayed for so now you're butt hurt huh? Lmfao.