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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Apollyon View Post
    No,Jesus main mission was to be the Passover Lamb of God to save mankind from sin.
    That's not what Gnostic Christians thought. They thought salvation came from knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That's not what Gnostic Christians thought. They thought salvation came from knowledge.
    Than they aren't Christian!
    "Many come in my name,but they aren't mine".
    What day is Michaelmas on?
    When is the Mass on Michael?
    AM I ,I AM's,AM I
    I AM,I AM's, AM I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Apollyon View Post
    Than they aren't Christian!
    "Many come in my name,but they aren't mine".
    1,800 years ago, there was no accepted consensus on what constituted an authentic Christian.

    Same today. Some conservative evangelicals do not think Catholics are Christian, and since Unitarian Universalists do not accept trinitarian theory, they are even more suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    No such concept in Judaism in act no one can die for another's sins, and supposedly jesus was Jewish
    ????......are you saying there is no concept of atonement by sacrifice in Judaism?.......have you ever read Leviticus?.....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    God is One and that He is a most perfect and absolute Unity.

    It is written, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deut. 6:4). This is a positive commandment to believe in God's unity. This commandment depends on thought and can be fulfilled at any time.

    Although the universe contains many galaxies, each consisting of innumerable stars and planets, there is one God who is Author and Creator of them all. It is absolutely impossible to conceive of more than one Absolute Being.

    Although there may be many other universes, both physical and spiritual, God is One over all. It is thus written, "Your kingdom is a kingdom of all worlds" (Psalms 145:13).

    Judaism emphatically rejects any concept of plurality with respect to God.
    Judaism emphatically rejects any concept of plurality with respect to God. It therefore rejects the Christian concept of the trinity, in which God is depicted as three persons in one, corresponding to His manifestation in creation, redemption and revelation.

    Since any additional quality would add an element of plurality to God's essence, we conceive of Him as being absolutely simple. His simple essence, however, implies every attribute with which He created and rules His universe.


    As Creator, God's power in His universe is unlimited. We therefore speak of God as being omnipotent, and refer to Him in our prayer as "King of the universe.' It is likewise written, "All that God wishes, he does, in heaven and earth, in the seas and all the deeps" (Psalms 135:6).

    We do not, however, ascribe to God the power of doing that which is categorically impossible, such as duplicating, annihilating, corporifying, or changing Himself. Judaism therefore rejects the possibility that God could have ever assumed human form.

    Since God is the Creator of all matter, it is obvious that He does not consist of matter.

    Because of God's antithesis to all material attributes, He is called Pure and Holy.
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    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    1,800 years ago, there was no accepted consensus on what constituted an authentic Christian.

    Same today. Some conservative evangelicals do not think Catholics are Christian, and since Unitarian Universalists do not accept trinitarian theory, they are even more suspect.
    well no.....since 1800 years ago we accepted a consensus of what constituted an authentic Christian......Catholics meet the standards established then.......those like the Unitarians that deny the existence of a "Christ" obviously fall short of the standards of "Christ"ians......it isn't complicated.......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    well no.....since 1800 years ago we accepted a consensus of what constituted an authentic Christian......Catholics meet the standards established then.......those like the Unitarians that deny the existence of a "Christ" obviously fall short of the standards of "Christ"ians......it isn't complicated.......
    Your knowledge of early Christianity is obviously virtually non-existent.

    1,,800 years ago was the early third century AD,. That was
    even before the Council of Nicea and the formulation of trinitarian doctrine.

    At best, in the early third century there was a type of Christian proto-orthodoxy which competed with other contemporaneous strains of early Christianity: Arianism, Marcionites, Nestorians, Gnostics.

    The German Goths who overran Italy and Spain were nearly all Arians.

    Emperor Constantine was baptized on his death bed by an Arian Christian priest.

    And if I am not mistaken, elements of Marcionism continue to exist in the Coptic churches of Egypt and the Orient.


    I leave you to start frantically googling for information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Saké View Post
    Of all the non-canonical texts, the one I would most like to see accepted is Enoch.
    How come? I know nothing about it, explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    1,800 years ago, there was no accepted consensus on what constituted an authentic Christian.

    Same today. Some conservative evangelicals do not think Catholics are Christian, and since Unitarian Universalists do not accept trinitarian theory, they are even more suspect.
    Many fundies do not believe that Mormons are Christians either.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    well no.....since 1800 years ago we accepted a consensus of what constituted an authentic Christian......Catholics meet the standards established then.......those like the Unitarians that deny the existence of a "Christ" obviously fall short of the standards of "Christ"ians......it isn't complicated.......
    Your knowledge of early Christianity is obviously virtually non-existent.

    1,,800 years ago was the early third century AD,. That was
    even before the Council of Nicea and the formulation of trinitarian doctrine.

    At best, in the early third century there was a type of Christian proto-orthodoxy which competed with other contemporaneous strains of early Christianity: Arianism, Marcionites, Nestorians, Gnostics.

    The German Goths who overran Italy and Spain were nearly all Arians.

    Emperor Constantine was baptized on his death bed by an Arian Christian priest.

    And if I am not mistaken, elements of Marcionism continue to exist in the Coptic churches of Egypt and the Orient.

    EDIT to ADD: the word "Christ" is from the Latin derivation of a Greek word meaning messiah.

    A messiah can be a man or a prophet - it does not have to be God. So, as far as I am concerned, the Unitarians are entitled to their interpretation of the meaning and significance of Jesus.



    I leave you to start frantically googling for information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    How come? I know nothing about it, explain?
    Enoch is the scripture the gospel writers had Jesus quote. I would love to see the argument presented at the council that concluded it wouldn’t be included as accepted scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Your knowledge of early Christianity is obviously virtually non-existent.

    1,,800 years ago was the early third century AD,. That was
    even before the Council of Nicea and the formulation of trinitarian doctrine.

    At best, in the early third century there was a type of Christian proto-orthodoxy which competed with other contemporaneous strains of early Christianity: Arianism, Marcionites, Nestorians, Gnostics.

    The German Goths who overran Italy and Spain were nearly all Arians.

    Emperor Constantine was baptized on his death bed by an Arian Christian priest.

    And if I am not mistaken, elements of Marcionism continue to exist in the Coptic churches of Egypt and the Orient.


    I leave you to start frantically googling for information.
    His ignorance is astounding for supposedly having a Masters in Divinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    His ignorance is astounding for supposedly having a Masters in Divinity.
    Conservative Evangelicals are not generally known for the quality of their theological or higher education. That is why the elite Christian universities in this nation are Catholic: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Fordham, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Enoch is the scripture the gospel writers had Jesus quote. I would love to see the argument presented at the council that concluded it wouldn’t be included as accepted scripture.
    I did a (very) brief research and see that Enoch was an OT guy, and it says "is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language." As in Ethiopia?
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