Some guns are only good for killing people and practicing to kill people
It is perfectly constitutional to ban some weapons
Facts
Hello Dutch,
OK, obviously this is an argument you want to have so badly that you're trying to fit me into some predetermined adversarial position. A straw man.
The problem is I don't really hold the views depicted above. I don't have all the answers. I don't know how to solve all gun violence. My view is that we have too much gun violence and we need to do more to reduce it. I see that the NRA is too powerful and has too much influence over one party, and that it represents people who make a lot of money from the gun industry. The violence really hurts our nation badly so we cannot simply turn our heads and accept it.
There are lots of facets to the problem. Nobody in their right mind thinks banning assault rifles is going to end all revolver suicides. That's just as ridiculous as it sounds.
I agree that we do not do enough to address mental health. So here's an idea. Tax the NRA heavily. Use the money to fund free mental health counseling.
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Feel free to detail where I'm wrong.
Are we agreed that half of all of America's suicides are done with firearms?
Are we agree that the Democrats only care about the suicides that used firearms as demonstrated by your remarks?
Are we agree that a suicide only needs a single shot pistol yet the Democrats have focused upon AR-15 for three decades?
By what logic do you think this proves Democrats care more about mental health than gun control?
Tax the NRA? How can that possibly be legal under the 14th Amendment? What if they go bankrupt? No funds of mental healthcare again?
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
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Tax the NRA? First, I think it's illegal under the 14th Amendment to target one organization for political reasons.
Second, it would be nothing more than the usual token Democratic concern for mental healthcare since the NRA doesn't have that much money.
https://www.thetrace.org/2021/06/nra...uptcy-deficit/
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The same way we fund any other medical programs. Why should it be different? It's a matter of priorities. The Republicans obviously don't give a shit. My point is that neither do the Democrats which explains why they focus on guns instead.
True. Consider that 1/3 of all homeless are mentally ill, but that percentage shoots up for the chronically homeless https://i.imgflip.com/5wyc0h.https:/...tally-ill.html
Additionally, consider that when the mentally ill commit crimes, they go to prison, not hospitals. https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/cons...tally-ill.html
Who cares? Hardly anyone. Such things are waaaaaayyyy down the list of political priorities for the Democrats and aren't even on the list of things-to-do for Republicans.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Hello Dutch,
That's because these are considerations for well-informed people and there are too few of us.
Most people are easily taken in by TV commercials.
That is why there are so many of them.
They work.
The rich and powerful want to keep the masses dumb, so we have a pathetic education system.
The result is age-old problems are just perpetuated from generation to generation.
If an issue isn't 'trending' on teenage social media it gets pigeon holed.
Why isn't government corruption a big issue that everybody is concerned about? It is the root of almost all our problems.
Mental health issues are so common we probably can't give everyone the counseling they need.
So how do we pick out the ones that will, in the future, become gun killers? Minority Report was a movie. Not real.
How do we know who needs mental health counseling the most?
We can't.
It has to be a huge program. The pox over getting counseling has to be lifted. It needs to be OK to see a shrink.
Even people who seriously need help and can afford it don't get it. (Look at Trump.)
Big money = big power. People like that, you can't tell them what to do.
What about that Vegas guy. Had tons of money. He could have afforded what he really needed. But instead he decided to make a cowardly attack on innocent people.
How do we force people to get mental health care against their own will.
You know, for the good of the nation.
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Doc Dutch (12-07-2021)
Agreed.
Stereotyping people is one thing but stereotyping the DNC is easier since it's actually pushed by their members and part of a public agenda over the past 30 years.
When a person espouses Democratic or Republican talking points, it seems clear to me they are assuming the mantel of that "stereotype".
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
They mismanaged the money doing what corporations do. They gave free rein to their executives who lived like kings and blew the money. https://www.thetrace.org/2019/05/nra...conduct-guide/ They played those who gave for suckers.
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Anyone else notice that the conversation has drifted away from the neighbor ???
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