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AProudLefty (12-03-2021)
But how did you know you had three goats? Without numbers, you wouldn't know what you had, numbers allowed you to come up with the arbitrary understand of what three means and allows you to know. Question becomes were numbers invented by humans or do they exist outside of human comprehension
Granted a little off what is normally seen on this forum, but interesting, "cypress" gets kudos for getting it beyond three posts without the evolving into the uusal personal insults
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AProudLefty (12-04-2021), Cypress (12-04-2021)
I could google this, but it would likely be perplexing...
In terms of intelligence, I Think there are some true nincompoops on this forum, some real mouth-breathers, and I would not lump Jack into that evolutionarily-stunted demographic.
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This guy thinks the fact that cicada reproductive cycles are based on prime numbers, and that Honey bee combs are hexagonal are not random or coincidental. It supposedly points to an underlying reality concerning numbers and mathematics.
Humans Didn’t Invent Mathematics, It’s What the World Is Made Of
Many people think that mathematics is a human invention. To this way of thinking, mathematics is like a language: it may describe real things in the world, but it doesn’t “exist” outside the minds of the people who use it.
But the Pythagorean school of thought in ancient Greece held a different view. Its proponents believed reality is fundamentally mathematical. More than 2,000 years later, philosophers and physicists are starting to take this idea seriously.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/singula...de-of/%3famp=1
Neuroscientists supposedly suggest human beings cannot intuitively quantify a set of anything beyond four. Four seems to be a limit where our mind can view a set of objects and intuitively distinguish size quantitatively. Higher than four requires counting, and until the late Bronze age we just had not developed a sense of numbers to do anything more than rudimentary counting.
Some stone age and bronze age human societies only had a concept of three numbers or quantities: one, two, and "many".
The contention by some is that e, Pi, the Fibonacci sequence existed all along. Humans did not invent them as a mathematical language to enable us to talk about nature. Those numbers were discovered by us, and always existed as a part of reality independent of human consciousness.
"How did the Sumerian written counting system change over time?"
https://www.papertrell.com/apps/prev...0_default.html
Could be true. Somebody came up with something along the way to use. You know, like instead of using a hand to dig, somebody came up with 'shovel'.
I'm sure Pi always existed. It took some smart guy to 'discover' it for our use. Kinda' like the Pythagorean Theorem. (3, 4, 5 Triangle)
Cypress (12-04-2021)
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