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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    A fallacy of exclusive premises. That is, one doesn't result in the other necessarily. All of what you list can be paid for in other ways than property tax. There are countries that don't have property taxes.

    https://www.globalfromasia.com/tax-f...rab%20Emirates

    In many rural areas, firefighting and things like ambulance service are paid by subscription not property tax. Trash pick up is done the same way. Parks and playgrounds are rarely paid for by property tax but rather come out of general revenue from sales taxes. Schools in most locales are the primary recipient of property tax but could be paid for by other taxes or subscription too.

    I find, in particular, property tax on a primary personal residence onerous and unnecessary. Sure, tax commercial property, second and third homes, but a primary residence should be owned tax free. That means once you pay for it you owe nobody anything and it's yours forever. That would be the right thing to do. That would turn America into a country of owners of their own homes and people could get away from having to pay rent or being homeless. But the Left in particular, doesn't want you to be an owner. If you were, you'd never vote for them or their Socialist policies.
    It's always interesting how conservatives have such a childish way of viewing the world. It's like they don't understand anything that is more complex than 2+2. Do you really think that if you buy a house there is no cost after the purchase? The home has costs. Many of those costs are societal costs for your home. Even if you collect the taxes in a way other than property tax, the taxes will still be collected and if you don't pay your taxes the government will take property to pay the unpaid taxes. If a city were to not collect taxes from homeowners and instead collect it from commercial property you would quickly find yourself as a city with no commercial property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    It is an easy observation to make throughout the globe that the most civilized places with the best quality of life are the places that have the highest taxation.
    It's just a fact.
    A lot of school taxes go to high paid teachers & sports tracks or gyms etc.

    Not that I think teachers should be paid out minimum wage.

    But, neither should people in droves move out because they can't afford property taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Property taxes can add a lot to rents too.

    Why is it helpful for the working & lower classes to have less ability to buy property & or pay rents!?
    Property/School taxes should be a shared burden. State taxes should be raised in order to lower the burden on the homeowner.

    However, if you want local services, someone is going to pay for them. Your suggestion would beg the same exact 'burden' question by smokers/drinkers
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    It is an easy observation to make throughout the globe that the most civilized places with the best quality of life are the places that have the highest taxation.
    It's just a fact.
    I have a Polish immigrant friend in Manchester UK.

    He thinks the 10K A year property taxes here are insane & not found in Europe.

    The kicker is in Westchester County to the South of here.

    Some towns average 30K in yearly property taxes.

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    I hope that those who are quoting me are not expecting replies because I cannot read any of their posts.
    I've got the vast majority of the board on ignore.
    Sorry. Please feel free to reciprocate.
    For the most part, I make declarative statements, not conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Complex question fallacy. Of course, government needs taxes to do stuff. What they don't need necessarily is to tax real estate to get that money. Defense, immigration law, highways are not paid from property taxes now by the way.
    So how do you fund schools/cops/services?

    I pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation. I say the burden should be shared by everyone in the state. Renters included. Most renters will claim that taxes are built into rent. That isn't necessarily true.

    Property taxes were a tax deduction on income taxes until trump decided to make Blue states pay more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Property/School taxes should be a shared burden. State taxes should be raised in order to lower the burden on the homeowner.

    However, if you want local services, someone is going to pay for them. Your suggestion would beg the same exact 'burden' question by smokers/drinkers
    Having a house or rental property are necessities.

    Smoking, drinking booze, driving a range rover or cruising in a yacht are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Having a house or rental property are necessities.

    Smoking, drinking booze, driving a range rover or cruising in a yacht are not.
    Not the point.

    Why not tax soda?

    Or in your case, kielbasa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I hope that those who are quoting me are not expecting replies because I cannot read any of their posts.
    I've got the vast majority of the board on ignore.
    Sorry. Please feel free to reciprocate.
    For the most part, I make declarative statements, not conversation.
    LMAO.

    Me too.

    If you can't see my post...

    Fuck off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Not the point.

    Why not tax soda?
    Didn't object.

    One causes obesity & diabetes.

    One helps prevent homelessness.

    Gee, how can I chose which is more important!!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Complex question fallacy. Of course, government needs taxes to do stuff. What they don't need necessarily is to tax real estate to get that money. Defense, immigration law, highways are not paid from property taxes now by the way.
    Why is property tax any more objectionable than sales or income tax. You can also be punished for not paying those. If it is not my property because I have to pay property taxes it follows that it is not my car because I have to pay a sales tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Didn't object.

    One causes obesity & diabetes.

    One helps prevent homelessness.

    Gee, how can I chose which is more important!!??
    What about kielbasa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Why is property tax any more objectionable than sales or income tax. You can also be punished for not paying those. If it is not my property because I have to pay property taxes it follows that it is not my car because I have to pay a sales tax.
    In Ct., you pay property taxes on cars/boats/sheds, etc..

    Go figure.
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    Other than hotels, I don't don't believe in privately owned rental residential property. Not full time housing.
    I believe that the government should nationalize all rental residntial property and run it on a non-profit basis.
    Otherwise, multi-unit housing should be run on a condo basis by owner-occupants.

    I'm a democratic socialist for the most part, but here is where I dip my toes into communism just a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    What about kielbasa?
    Don't really care.

    Care more about establishing long term generational property security.

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